"The Register is reporting that the blogosphere is alight with accusations of Microsoft forcing Windows Desktop Search on networks via the 'automatic install' feature of Windows Update — even if they had configured their systems not to use the program. Once installed, the search program began diligently indexing C drives and entire networks slowed to a crawl."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/25/windows_update_snafu/
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Guess its all about control, and M$ is dertermined to show us that they have more power over your computer than you do. You will be assimulated.

Chips, you just couldn't resist trying to spoil the news, could you? Get a life.

Not Windows Update - WSUS.

Microsoft EU Decision Protects OSS Projects From Suits

http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/25/2029234

Quote from the link: "the EU has forced Microsoft to back off of its saber-rattling when it comes to EU open source projects. That protection in no way extends to US projects, of course."
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What this will simply means long term, is if patent laws do not change, or M$ keeps using pawn, or sues directly, then Linux companies will move overseas, and the USA will have decidedly less of an impact on how Linux systems develop.

Chips...get a life.

Non Loser
Chips's life is Linux ! And anything to put microsoft down, even if it means trying to divert people to Apple. If it can't be Linux that is !

I guess I should be flattered, that all the M$ $hills, sock puppets, fanbois, trolls, and Neilolites, would rather talk about me, than say the sneaky windows update or the EU problem.

But the fact remains, people, or 1 person, whatever is the case, that those problems I write about are not going away, no matter how much you which to attack me.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/08/vista-rubbish

above link is titled: "Dear Microsoft, Vista doesn't work properly"

Quotes from the link:

"The search indexer is, I'm sure, a really cool idea. But I don't do many searches and I'm getting increasingly peed off with my hard disk constantly thrashing so I'd like to turn it off. I really would."

"I've stopped the service, unchecked the indexer box in control panel and removed every folder from indexer's list. Why then, does the indexing service start itself a few seconds after I kill the process in Task Manager? It shouldn't be running at all, because I've marked it as disabled. And then I discover that a bunch of folders have mysteriously added themselves to the list of things to index."

"I thought I'd try renaming the executables that run indexing. They live in the System32 folder. And here's my second question for the folks at Redmond: Why am I forbidden to rename files in any folder beneath the Windows root? It's my machine, I paid for it and I don't like being told my administrator account is denied access to it."

"And here's another odd thing. Every couple of days, Word 2003 decides that I'd really like curly quotes and turns them back on for me. Now, call me old-fashioned, but my personal choice for my software on my machine is that I want ordinary quotes."

"There are a couple of other things that don't appear to behave as they should - setting individual folder layouts in Explorer, or asking each folder to open in its own window, are blissfully ignored, for example."

It seems that Microsoft Office suite is still unbeatable.

May be it is time that Open Office go back to drawing boards

Wow, Microsoft's earnings report must've *really* pissed off chips, that he has to post three or four completely off-topic posts. I hate to break it to you chips, but Microsoft isn't dead or dying. I know that hurts you to your very soul. And you know what? That pleases me to no end. :)

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgeddos/86reasons.htm

The above link is titled: "86 Reasons Why I Switched to Linux"
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Free linux downloads can be found at distrowatch.com

Interesting that Ubuntu is not the number 1 distro anymore of interest at distrowatch. PCLinuxOS has been the number 1 distro now there for more than a month. Check it out and set yourself free.
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In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates.

Chips:
You are trying to rain on the wrong parade. The fact remains, the numbers speak for them self.

I guess you just don't get it. It is not a matter of which is better, Windows or Open Source Software (OSS).

What's most important is deploying the best IT solution for the task at hand. In allot of cases, this will entail a mixed Windows & Linux environment...

Harry, you are damn right.

Enterprise IT solution is a mixture of Windows + Linux + Solaris + Unix.

It is the creativity of the IT manager or CIO to interconnect them .

Those die-hard advocator and supportors for Microsoft and Linux are only experince in an IT environment that having less than 5 PC. They just donlt possess the enterprise view on IT deployment

Or

Perhaps they are lobbyists like Steven and Joe

Red Hat Voices Concerns Over Microsoft Patent Model

http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18825/Red-Hat-Voices-Concerns-Over-Microsoft-Patent-Model

A question for Microsoft Longs.

It's very simple. You know how decisions go. You make up your mind between a universe of two different indications.

1. IF Microsoft does have the technological opportunity to build a workable platform to allow them to mate up AdCenter and their very expensive aQuantive Atlas with very expensive little chunk of Facebook for a true advertising "platform", then, there is no limit what Microsoft's shareprice can do.

OR

2. HOWEVER, IF Microsoft does not have a technology platform to allow them to mate up AdCenter and their very expensive aQuantive Atlas with their very expensive little chunk of Facebook for a true advertising "platform", the resulting sell-off will bring the price far below what it was before these quarter values.

Remember what happened after the last quarter announcement when the shareprice spiked above 31 and everyone thoght this was "the big event"? Remember how the next day brought disappointing news (lack of news, actually... MSFT didn't say what the market hoped they would say about product shipments) being delayed? Sure, you remember that. How could you forget?

Well, Microsoft is about to enter the next week traipsing off into the unknown with a discovery ruling by a court in East Texas scheduled to be delivered next Friday November 2.

IF Microsoft is going to fight that lawsuit... well, friends and neighbors, it means more tip-toes through the tulips for Titan and more hide and seeks for Silverlight.

Which one do you think is going to happen, pilgrim?

Can't decide? Gee. Just think how far ahead of the rest of the herd you would be if you had only spent just a few hours going through the information I offered for weeks here about patent 6826744 and what it would mean to Microsoft capabilities.

BUT, since there were so many posters making you laugh about such a silly little company like VCSY owning a patent that could stop a giant company like Microsoft from fielding internet projects... ha ha ha... you know... it's like a meal of cauliflower and rootbeer.

Now you don't know if you're going to be doing a #1 or a #2.

Got a "gut" feeling instead of a "knowledge"? Hmmmm. Gut feelings can get very messy, can't they?

folks, dont let the neil turd grab your attention. stop feeding the troll.

WHAT A QUARTER. Those vista commercials were right, but its for the whole company... W O W.

This is the capitalist system at its finist... rewarding the BEST. Survival of the fittest, is a wonderful thing to see. And in this case, msft's amazing product lineup makes msft FIT to be king.

Seriously, there's not even a drop of bad news in the entire release. Unheard of.

A sunny day indeed

But Steven J Vaughan Nichols must be very upset

What happend to "chips".. looks like he is tired now.. chips wake up you idiot and post something stupid.. Nobody cares for what you say chips.. you chippy chip.. he he..

Getting back to the topic:

There's no doubt that Microsoft has done an outstanding job in this quarter. All the divisions really outperformed and Microsoft has also raised their guidance for next quarter.. that's a bold move.

I even like the news that Microsoft slapped google by signing Ads deal with Facebook. Overall a great progress for Microsoft and I think it's the return of the king...

Hey guys, Neil's life is being an M$ shill and Windows fanboy -- thus ignoring absolutley all evidence showing that Windows is a virus magnet and M$ is ripping people off. All he wants to do is get his nose brown by sucking up to Bill and Ballmer. I think he's the one who has to get a life.

VISTA IS THE BEST WINDOWS YET!!!
THE REST OF THAT STUFF OUT THERE IS JUNK!!!!!

Now if only the best Windows would actually run well and keep out viruses... like the other junk out there. *chuckle*

Nothing more than coasting on an illegal monopoly.

When you walk in a typical store to buy a PC, you have a choice of Windows, and ummm... Windows. For the average non-tech consumer, lock-in at its finest.

The good results of most businesses are explained by the world's economic growth. So even though Ms is losing market to apple, linux, google and others; their results are positive still. Good for them. The real problem is to understand that Ms is an extortionist, prepotent and abusive monopoly that tries to destroy any company that presents competition, to enslave us all...while using both legal and not-so-legal ways to accomplish its objectives. And with huge quantities expent in propaganda and "bloggers" to manipulate public opinion, thus continuating our slavery.

The idea is simple: to understand and stop Ms' manipulation so the competence has a chance to develop. And consumers will benefit. If you read the news, that's what is happening. Nobody is interested in Ms dying, because that would eliminate the competition (of other companies), but Ms should be controlled and domesticated for the common good.

What I never stop being surprised by is how Chips is a magnet to attract and discover shills. Really, it is not so hard to discover them because they generally tend to be of a linear line of thought (e.g. "Joe, why do you write about the San Diego fire? you should only write about MS") with a general lack of intellect. If they were intelligent beings, why would they sell their dignity by mere propaganda or "prizes"? And their jobs would be better paid as well.

But for the newbies, they only need to read Chips' posts to find desperate responses of shills trying to shut him up and win a laptop in the bargain.

Of course, some of them are especially noticeable, such as Neil, who went from being a respectable member to a clown, as someone else said. (one of the motives why I can't be bothered to answer them these days)
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Thus 5000,is it not?
this is a serious warning to those who are looking for truth, fairness and sincerity. Now you will know how MS is defending itself, now when a opinion seems to be whoring to Ms, it is simply because it is.

Chips and Marco, you both need some Microsoft in your lives, Linux is certainly depressing you both it seems.

The news that Linux is losing market share to Windows Server must make you both look gaunt.

Focusing on how many more people Micro$oft can sucker or force into buying its products seems to be the general shill tactic today. I guess it will have to do since there's no real innovation (or security) from Micro$oft to crow about.

In spite of all the whining by the Linux Jihad and the Mac Jihad, Vista is clearly a success, as is Office. Get over it...

"It's still early days, but progress we're happy with," Liddell emphasized. He said that licensing agreements indicate businesses' intention to adopt, but deployments could come later for some customers.

The above statement is the first real indication that Microsoft understands that user will eventually move to Vista, but the are still some major issue in migrating from XP to Vista. Mainly some software/hardware vendor are just getting on-board with Vista. The deployment of Vista is still a problem that is not going away for the near future. I've had many clients that have down-graded from Vista back to XP. Don't know where the 85 million copies of Vista were sold, but I know most business are still in the planning stages for delpoyment of Vista and the the release of Windows Server 2008 will only compound the deployment issues. Hopefully, by then the will be a real "Business Case" for Vista Deployment. Otherwise, Microsoft is still a better alternative to Linux and Apple for the majority of "business users".

Interesting the VCSY v MSFT case isn't mentioned:

No mention of the Vertical lawsuit in this last 10-Q for 3Q

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312507225854/d10q.htm
We are vigorously defending more than 45 patent infringement cases. In the case of Eolas Technologies, Inc. and University of California v. Microsoft... The parties have agreed to a settlement pursuant to which Microsoft has taken a license to the Eolas patents. The settlement did not have a significant financial statement impact....

In Z4 Technologies, Inc. v. Microsoft, filed in U.S. District Court in Texas in September 2004, the plaintiff alleged that Microsoft Windows and Office product activation functionality violates its patent rights. In April 2006, the jury rendered a $115 million verdict against us. In August 2006, the trial court increased damages by $25 million pursuant to the jury?s finding of willful infringement and awarded Z4 $2 million in attorneys? fees. We have appealed the verdict.

In Veritas Operating Corporation v. Microsoft, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington in May 2006, a subsidiary of Symantec filed an action asserting trade secret misappropriation, breach of contract, and patent infringement relating to certain storage technologies. The case is scheduled for trial in May 2008.

Adverse outcomes in some or all of the matters described in this section may result in significant monetary damages or injunctive relief against us that would adversely affect distribution of our operating system or application products. We may enter into material settlements because of these risks....

As of September 30, 2007, we had accrued aggregate liabilities of approximately $700 million in other current liabilities and approximately $650 million in other long-term liabilities for all of the contingent matters described in this note. While we intend to vigorously defend these matters, there exists the possibility of adverse outcomes that we estimate could be up to $4.1 billion in aggregate beyond recorded amounts. Were unfavorable final outcomes to occur, there exists the possibility of a material adverse impact on our financial position and on the results of operations for the period in which the effects become reasonably estimable
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An example about I said:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/22/apple_earns_904_million_on_sales_of_6_22_billion.html
Apple said Monday that fourth-quarter profits rose 66 percent to $904 million, or $1.01 per diluted share, on sales of $6.22 billion for the three-month period ended September 29, 2007.

"We are very pleased to have generated over $24 billion in revenue and $3.5 billion in net income in fiscal 2007," said Apple chief executive Steve Jobs. "We're looking forward to a strong December quarter as we enter the holiday season with Apple's best products ever

And with that increase of revenue I just got my shill/fanboy check from Bill Gates. He personally delivers them to all millions of fanboys out there. Like Santa Clause on Christmas day. It was more than before, party!!! What has Linus done for you lately Chips? VCYS for you I-man? MS Rules. Down with Linux.

Come on you guys/gals get real grow up. Can't we all just get along? Can't we be fanboys of all things working together, are we ready to burier the hatchet? Not saying it does not happen but what kind of paranoid reality do you all live in that you believe some big company dishes out tons billions trillions of dollars for people to be bias spokes people and post on the web all day?

Ok, the bashing was said can we all move on now. How long is this going to go on?

6th grade play ground:

My dad can beat up your dad up.
My dad is smarter than your dad.
My bike is better than your bike.
I can run faster than you.

20 years later in the business world
My OS is better than yours.
Linus Torvald can beat up Bill Gates.
My OS is more secure than you are.

And the answer is no, so I will be back tomorrow to battler MS|*nux|cp/m fanboy out.

Another example:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/17/apples_u_s_mac_market_share_rises_to_8_1_percent_in_q3.html
Apple's U.S. Mac market share rises to 8.1 percent in Q3
Quote:
Apple Inc.'s share of the U.S. personal computer market for the third calendar quarter of 2007 was 8.1 percent, up from 6.2 percent during the same period one year ago, according to preliminary results released from Gartner on Wednesday.

The Cupertino-based company's U.S. Mac shipments grew 37.2 percent year-over-year -- more than twice as fast as any other manufacturer ranked in Gartner's top 5 PC vendors for the three-month period ending September -- helping it snag a spot as the No. 3 U.S. PC vendor overall.

This is just for fun:
"Evolutionary, not revolutionary... I think it's better than Vista"
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20071025/leopard-faster-easier-than-vista/
"Upgrade of Apple’s OS Isn’t Revolutionary, But It Beats Microsoft’s"

theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/26/critics-queue-stroke-leopard
"Critics queue to stroke Leopard"
The INQUIRER hasn't always been too Apple friendly but hats off: Apple has another big hit on its hands. If the stock weren’t already so high, maybe Forrest Gump would buy another load of shares.

Dear Andre Da Costa, I completely agree and support chips and marco posts.

Microsoft knows how to make lots of money, but it seems it has lost its capacity to make good products and to keep customers happy, so the fact that it is making so much profit even by delivering such a faulty products is what results depressing.

They used to product good products, for example windows 2000 was a decent client, as win 2003 is a decent server.
I have acquired many Microsoft products in the past and I liked many of them, but with the time I have discovered other "worlds",but when compared with FOSS, they started to look to lame and expensive to be worth it.
Microsoft knows it and it is using every sort of dirty tricks in order to hinder adoption of FOSS by the general public, that is why there are so many negative reactions against Microsoft all around the web.
But believe me, if you were informed yourself of the kind of maneouvers Microsoft do in order to get its way, you would be mad with them as well.

Unfortunately money seems to be the only thing people care about and admire these days...but you know, none of you are going to become richer becasue Steve B and Bily G become richer thanks to your spending in their products.

They force their products by bundling them, like the OEM licences: It is almost impossible to buy a computer without their operating system pre-installed. Moreover, Vista is a resource hog, it needs an antivirus and it does things you dont want to do: Like the live search install or calling home without your authorization.
Not to talk about their disgusting political maneouvers in order to get away with their monopolistic practices unpunished and forcing their incompatible formats and legitimize their software patents in areas of the world that are yet free of that legal nonsense.

Gnu/Linux doesn't do that. The learning curve might be a little higher but it puts YOU in control of your computer and empowers you to limits you wont ever be able to reach with Microsoft products: Believe me, you can become your own ISP and deliver all kind of services from your computer without spending a dime or restricting others from copying or re-distributing the programs; moreover it is for free, and if you are knoledgeable enough you can contribute back and improve it.

Gnu/Linux/BSD, and Free(dom) software at large convey a great benefit for society, whereas Microsoft benefits great FROM the society in detriment of everyone's freedom.

WE WANT COMPETITON, GOOD PRODUCTS, GOOD PRICES, (better if the product is free) and it is NOT posible with a MONOPOLY.
Use you want MS, Linux, Apple, Google, but don't fall into the tramp of those whom want that you only use it's products.The variety and diversity bring competition (although some shills dislike it.)

Hey Marco,

Do this, spend 3 months of your life doing what ever it is that you do but do it for free. Do everything for free then at the end of each month how do you pay your bills? I get it a free market so the phone company does not send me a bill, the electric company does not send me a bill, no mortgage payment or rent. Everything is free, why did we not think of that 2000 plus years ago why did we add monitory value to work. Again if not Marco can someone pushing the free software idea tell me how we are to make money or at least just pay our bills?

Does anyone here make a donation to those who ask for it after you downloaded their software? If someone has some cool nifty program or a development library and just wants a few bucks via PayPal do you do it? That is if you download software from the community. Or do you just think that the person who wrote the software unlike you or me does not have bills and does not need your money and that his/her software should be free?

First we are speaking about software, OK?
Do you know of Google? common people don't pay, businesses pay.
I can give you a lot of examples.
The name?: software free, services pay (or publicity) ,that is a better sistem that perhaps does not allow for all the fortune one gets with MS, but is nonetheless a lot fairer, because those that are really able to pay are businesses and the software will become what it was meant to be: an educative tool(or simply a hardware aggregate.) Obviously there are exceptions.
"...few bucks via PayPal do you do it?" yes, why not?

We could discuss this a lot further, but I think this is enough.

yup and at the end of the day someone pays if that is you, me or someone else paying for the ads to be on Google. They pay the money while you and I use bandwidth we paid for to download the advertisements. But also understand that if one is not getting paid something then they won’t be around for long, the eclectic company will turn off the lights. Google knew that end users would not pay per search but knew that someone would be willing to pay for advertisement to those who search. But don't think that because you are not paying for something that it is for free. You do spend money on bandwidth and could be perceived as a waste of time/money to download advertisement. If you don't get paid then you can't pay the internet bill to do that *free* search on google.

Nothing is for free and you get what you pay for. Or you get what others pay for (thanks for all of those paying Google for advertisement so as I can have the perception that I'm getting it for free).

Ok, mate. A bit ago I wrote that until we create the matter duplicator, business is the way to go. We agree on that nothing's free. One way or another, we end up paying our stay on earth...however, there are ways and then there are ways, some better than others. Straight to the point, simply the system of software free and services paid for is the most fair.

It is true that nowadays the work of a software developer is hard. Amongst other things, because of how complex software is. But I would like to remind all that if a software is too good, the Herod of the software world is Ms, whose philosophy is: kill them before they grow up(examples are not needed)

We should not forget those who give much of their time for free to help the common cause: opensource the same as those who ask for a certain cooperation in exchange for their software. Thanks for reminding me.

Quoting anonimo here;
"Nothing is for free and you get what you pay for. Or you get what others pay"
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In the early days of the colonines here in the USA, neighbors would get togeather and build a log cabin for the newly arrived settler. In many ways this is more how community GNU/Linux distros operate.

With reguards to Micro$oft Operating Systems and M$ Office, the old latin phase comes aptly to mind:

Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware"
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Thanks basileos for your words on encouragement, it seems by your example there are thinking people out there. As far as Andre, he is a know M$ Shill, using live.com (MS hosting services) in his link to his website that reads like a M$ cheerleading site. We been though this before with Andre. Best not to feed him and the other $hills that act more like trolls.

Do this, spend 3 months of your life doing what ever it is that you do but do it for free. Do everything for free then at the end of each month how do you pay your bills?

anonimo: dont be misleading: There is a lot of money to be made by selling services around Free Software.
Believe me, there are plenty of companies that are building such a business model and at the same time breaking free of the ridiculous conditions that Microsoft and other proprietary dsoftware manufacturers try to impose them through their restrictive licences.

Take for example Drupal, a Free CMS: There are plenty of companies basing their business around building sites with drupal for their customers. Moreover the customers get the software for free,this enable competition: If the customer can find someone with more expertise with drupal that offer their services they can change of provider.
The same applies to Linux, Free E-Mail servers (FYI, most ISP benefit from Postfix and Yahoo for example uses QMail and, recently Zimbra).

So, please, dont be misleading: nobody is starvating because of Free Software, quite on the other hand is opening a new market around IT solutions that are not overwhelmingly privatised by big corporations.

Apart from the money, there are individuals and a whole community that is more than happy to help their neighbour for free, just for the sheer enjoyment of helping other persons to discover something that works splendidly and moreover is free. It is a joy for me to help the less technically-able of my relatives and friends to install and get to know a system that does not force them to spend hundreds of buck in restrictive software and lots more in buying "protection" against malware.

To finish with here is a quote to sum up the difference between Free and Proprietary software:

"Where traditional capitalist cultures like Ballmer’s see product improvement as a way of getting a bigger slice of the pie, FOSS focuses on making the entire pie bigger so everyone gets a larger slice.

To those who are less culturally advanced, the clear successes of FOSS must seem to be magic. Apache, Blender, Firefox, and the others must all seem to have been created out of empty aether, and to be without any solid foundations. Clark’s observation about advanced technology seemingly also applies to business models: if they are significantly advanced, their mechanisms of operation will seem to be magic to the businessmen of twenty-five years ago who haven’t bothered to keep up."

Marco meant to write: "he real problem is to understand that the USA is an extortionist, prepotent and abusive monopoly that tries to destroy any country that presents competition, to enslave us all...while using both legal and not-so-legal ways to accomplish its objectives. And with huge quantities expent[sic] in propaganda and "bloggers" to manipulate public opinion, thus continuating [sic]our slavery.

The idea is simple: to understand and stop the USA's manipulation so the competence [sic] has a chance to develop. And consumers will benefit. If you read the news, that's what is happening. Nobody is interested in USA dying, because that would eliminate the competition (of other countries) [whatever that means], but the USA should be controlled and domesticated for the common good of the world."

United States of America = ...Microsoft??!!

During all my time in this forum, not even the most staunch Ms "defenders" has suggested something of the sort...

@Marco:
Maybe Jennifer8 some bad mushrooms or something.

@Jennifer8
"I have recently stopped eating mushrooms.
They have made me pass out twice now and I have seen others do the same."

@Jennifer8

**This is my opinion only and in no way it was meant to offend you. If for any reason you feel the need to contact me in any way regarding the above post, especially for inappropriate wording or a perceived derogatory statement, please feel free to contact me. I am all over the Internet and you can find me there.**

Have a nice day;-)

What they are NOT reporting is

"Vista sales slow despite record MS profit"

above Link fixed

What they are NOT reporting is

"Vista sales slow despite record MS profit"

Wistfully, the resolution is regularly an estimation that is so uncomplicated it would simply need a short moment of time to put into position, but is generally overlooked.