This is most stupid comment i've ever seen!

how can you say suff like that! How much did they pay you? Just because Apple made ipod, and their stuff are all good? This is so sad. Start telling the truth, OK.

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Microsoft OneCare Silently Changes Automatic Updates

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,138939/article.html

Quote from the link: "Microsoft Corp.'s consumer security software changes the Automatic Updates (AU) settings in Windows XP and Vista without telling users or getting their approval"

As of today, OSX has ZERO malware in-the-wild -- how many Windows malware are loose in-the-wild and currently infecting Windows users worldwide?

Since the Mac holds somewhere in the vicinity of 3.5 percent of worldwide computer users, with a machine userbase numbering in the ~30 million range, it would appear that there is a large enough demographic of Mac users to have attracted the attention of malware authors -- yet, ZERO malware in-the-wild -- could it be that OSX is simply a better designed operating system?

Niffy

To Niff Stipples :
his question: "As of today, OSX has ZERO malware in-the-wild -- how many Windows malware are loose in-the-wild and currently infecting Windows users worldwide?"

my reply: I believe its about 500,000 for Windows. That would includes various forms of Viruses, Trojans, Worms, spyware, malware, scumware, adware (perhaps not), keyloggers, hijackers, etc.

Mostly OSX and other Nix type systems, such as Unix, Linux, BSD (which OSX is partly based on, that and Darwin) are almost viri free, especially compared to Windows. Windows is the Typhoid Mary of Operating Systems when it comes to Viruses. MS would rather sell Onecare for $50 a year than fix and secure their Operating Systems. At some point the botnets will have more control over the internet, and governments will mandate that MS fix their OS out of the box. Its inexcusable that this problem has gone on this long in MS operating systems.

Oh yeah. Egg on the facebook.

(This link was a great read start to finish)
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1310244&mid=1310244&tof=2&rt=1&frt=2&off=1

Appreciate your feedback but apparently you haven't been reading the information on the patents I've offered. VCSY is suing Microsoft specifically because they assert Microsoft is infringing patent 6826744 (744).

You should also take a look at patent 7076521 before you splash around Microsoft's prowess in "XML Web Services" when they can't even ship something like Viridian.

The "entire platforms based on XML and Web Services (.Net Framework, anyone?)" is precisely where patents 744 and 521 cover products and projects Microsoft should be able to ship (should have been able to ship for a long time), given the amount of time, money and effort Microsoft has been using to develop their .Net XML work.

"It would only take a little development to work that out, which even the smallest IT shop can do."

I would agree given the concepts that make the whole thing "easy to do". But, if you'll take a look at the effort companies have poured into AJAX for almost three years, you'll recognize that something like Adobe AIR/Fx doesn't just "happen" and if Microsoft had that capability, they wouldn't be waiting to ship Silverlight 1.1 and they wouldn't be sneaking Titan out to a closed list of "early adopters".

Agreed it doesn't take much work to accomplish but what it does take to do properly is ownership of technology that would make it work the most effectively.

Now, Microsoft can use SOAP (which is RPC using XML) or AJAX (which is targeted interaction using XML) or DCOM (which is fragile across transient networks like the internet) but they can't just "invent" something that hasn't been invented already, right? Or do you think they have invented what it takes?

That's what the Markman hearing March 2008 is all about in VCSY v MSFT to determine the level of infringement Microsoft may have done in developing their .Net platform and all derived products and projects.

"Microsoft doesn't have to set up data exchange information for anything except ads". If all you think advertising is about is putting ads out in a banner and videos indiscriminately and you call that "advertising, you might be right about it not being rocket science. But AdCenter and like systems (similar to Yahoo Panama) are supposed to do a great deal more having to do with targeting ads more effectively to the user profiles and search and browsing habits on on the target system like Facebook.

What does that require? It requires a way to execute a transaction between the Microsoft server based advertising software and the Facebook (for example) servers and the various advertising content building software... and that requires something a bit more dependable than SOAP and a bit more deterministic than AJAX and definitely something more effective than DCOM.

So, if you want to view the Microsoft/Facebook move as just a basic market share play, that's fine. But, you might as well know Microsoft has been delaying shipping products built capable of using the kind of XML over http that's really necessary to pull the work off. And, if Microsoft could simply do the work in XML across http, then Silverlight 1.1 would be a cakewalk.

But, Adobe has been working on Adobe AIR/Fx for over five years... right about as long as Laszlo Systems has been working on their webtop and webOS work (Microsoft isn't the only VCSY infringement target... just the first) and so far Silverlight 1.0 has needed the Eolas settlement to pull off video automation. And, as Silverlight 1.1 approaches the next level in competing with Adobe in bringing XML automation to the functionality of web applications, you might take a bit of time to read the patents noted above and reassess your assertions.

(an idea of what VCSY has been up against the last 8 years)by Portuno

Hey look! It's the guy who thinks VCSY is a stock scam so he's trying to convince you not to buy the stock.

I don't care if you buy the stock or not. If you're just now starting to consider VCSY you've got way too much study ahead of you to inform you as to what VCSY has behind the stealth scenes of technology development.

But, if you're going to listen to people like "vcsy_stock_scam" who goes to such lengths as to select a username with the intent of passively prejudicing the reader against a legally operated public company like VCSY as a "stock scam", you should also know the intellectual properties VCSY has is a threat to many in the software world.

This naturally brings out interests who are going to try to damage the public conversation about VCSY.

Now, vcsy_stock_scam has no financial interests in VCSY or MSFT, he says. But, he certainly has some sort of interest in preventing you from taking what is written about VCSY seriously or else he wouldn't put out so much effort and he wouldn't court VCSY management inquiry into his choice of usernames here on the board discussing the VCSY v MSFT infringement case.

He cries and boohoos that he's here to slam me, but, I don't see "portuno_stock_scammer" as a username. I just see "vcsy_stock_scam" and that tells me plenty about what he thinks.

It should tell you plenty as well. Good luck as you try to pick through what is said. You've got a lot of study to do to educate yourself on what VCSY is and what they have if you have any inclination to buy the stock. What you SHOULD do, however, is spend it in trying to decide whether you need to stay in Microsoft stock or whether you think MSFT is smart enough to make changes to their directions in time to not damage their future competitiveness... with YOUR money (you do know, do you not, that big pile of money they love to slosh around is supposed to belong to shareholders right? Just checking.).

So please do not buy VCSY stock without becoming confident through study and DD. And do not blame me for not trying to inform you if Microsoft shows they really don't know what they're doing when it comes to the internet.

And thanks to "vcsy_stock_scam" for giving us a view of the kinds of people out to damage the conversation about VCSY in order to protect their interests in the software industry who have been using VCSY IP without permission. And yes I'm talking about the open-source movement.

Sooo, what's REALLY going on Microsoft?
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1310288&mid=1310288&tof=2&rt=1&frt=2&off=1

I believe Microsoft engineers and architects are some of the brightest people around. You have to be smart in order to survive in a pit of vipers who play politics over common sense and serve backward retention over advancement.

But, the market and the industry judge by what companies produce and do. Microsoft is not delivering and THAT is why the shareprice continues to slip sideways even after record revenues and what should be exciting deals.

Microsoft?s Latest SaaS Message is a Step Backwards
Seeking Alpha posted on: October 04, 2007

Microsoft (MSFT) said September 30 that it had introduced ?Online? services and ?Live? services to ?deliver connected computing options for people and businesses.? I found the announcement one of the most confusing I ever received from a software supplier, from the odd Sunday timing, to the stark bifurcation the announcement made between ?Live? and ?Online,? to the sentence after the explanation of why a hard difference between Live and Online was important...

The left hand at Microsoft does not know what the right hand is doing. This is a Business-division-only announcement, perhaps not even discussed with others in the company. Either it is all about company politics or top management does not really understand the importance of Software as a Service (SaaS) as well as I thought.

With the retirement of Doug Burghum from Microsoft, there is no one in top management who was involved in marketing to enterprises in the 1990s. Therefore Microsoft didn?t know that the following wording purporting to understand newness has been used once or twice before: ?? this new generation of solutions can break through the boundaries between the isolated islands of information within many organizations, while also enabling people to connect easily and securely with partners and customers?? Talk about old news. Do I need an Online service or a Live service to get voted off these ?islands of information??

In a rebuttal to IT guy Bill Buchan, Mike says "Go back to MacOS where you have a career reinstalling drivers and apps every time there's a point upgrade."

This is either a Freudian typo, or a flat-out lie. The entire pleasure of OSX, as anyone who uses it can attest, is precisely that it saves you the irritation of this sort of thing, and lets you get on with your work.

Screwing around with drivers, etc, is, and has always been, the bane of one operating system, and that system is WINDOWS.

I repeat: WINDOWS.

And, just in case of any typos, the word I intended to write was WINDOWS.

Perhaps that is the word that you intended to write, Mike, until your Freudian typo.

Otherwise, why did you bother to write this nonsense, unless you have some pathological need to mislead?

I to have seen some problems like this guy says, but the one thing about APPLE is they listen to there base, and actually make fixes.

1. Who was the first software company to make a "Software Update" on the top menu of the OS? APPLE (and of course WINDOWS copied, remember that is all they can do. Who invented WINDOWS? we all know the answer: Steve Jobs, Billy just coped.)

2. APPLE Leopard has sold 2 million copes in the first week, WINDOWS, "vista" sold 20 in the first four weeks, but if Leopard keeps up this pace it will out sell "vista". (And why all of a sudden is MSFT calling windows by a name, and not the year? Maybe cause the coped that from APPLE! (See section 2 about MSFT stealing)

3. I would NEVER recommend anyone to buy a PC and install Windows, BUT I would recommend someone to go buy a APPLE machine. That is a no brainer that MSFT peeps hate to face.

4. Let's do the math, APPLE revenue up 67% this quarter, MSFT up 25%, anyway you put it, APPLE will OVERTAKE MSFT soon.

5. Good friends don't let there friend buy "vista", cause really they are just getting a "vista" into what they could get, over at APPLE.

later APPLE haterz

kaywood

(ex Windows person, and I will NEVER go back!)

"Apple has made plenty of operating system blunders, like shipping Mac OS X in March 2001 without support for optical drives."

That's odd. I've used OS X since before the official release of 10.0, and I've never had problems accessing optical media. Perhaps there was limited support for externally connected, third-party optical drives. But the above quoted statement is misleading. (Case in point, the very first OS X beta I tested came to me shipped on optical media. It installed fine on my iBook at the time, and I was even able to access the disc after rebooting the iBook. So the iBook's internal CD-ROM drive was fully supported.)

Not sure if this is selective reporting of the facts, or just plain oversight, but like I said... misleading.

Rob Poole wrote: "That's odd. I've used OS X since before the official release of 10.0, and I've never had problems accessing optical media."

I wrote the story back in 2001, Rob: http://www.news.com/Mac-OS-X-code-released%2C-despite-missing-features/2100-1040_3-253721.html. At the time Apple released Mac OS X, most Macs had DVD drives and high-end models DVD burners. Mac OS X didn't support DVD drives or CD burners at release. Mac released an update several months later.

Joe

Interesting writeup (FWIW, IMHO etc) that I can relate to as a heavy user of both camps, one point though worthy of mention... you say:

"Microsoft put its design priorities elsewhere, in the plumbing."

With all the cosmetic changes in Leopard the lay-person would think this release was little more than a service pack with a couple of nice additions (Time Machine, Spaces). However, that's because this is the way Apple pitch the product - to the consumer end user who doesn't care much about the plumbing as long as it just works.

I didn't realise so much had changed until reading the Arstechnica review, your views on how much plumbing has been redesigned may be altered slightly :) ... http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars

Like the post before me....the money quote, "Microsoft put its design priorities elsewhere, in the plumbing."

Umm....I work in tech support for a software company and almost every one of the people I speak with that are running Vista complain about how bad Vista is. Here is a huge example...Help files. If you have an older program that you use you will not be able to look at your help files because Vista has disabled use of the old Help file format. What makes it frustrating for a company like the one I work for is that we did not find out about this from Microsoft until it was too late for us to change our latest software offering. We were left with the choice of writing a version for Vista and writing a version for XP. I like how Mr. Wilcox says that Microsoft relies on its partners. Don't shift the blame to us. We have to work with what Microsoft provides.

The Market never lies. Take out the bogus pre-loaded "sales" numbers for Vista and compare retail to retail. OS X.5 is the one people want to buy. But lipstick is cheap, so you Microsoft PR flacks know what you have to do with that pig. Just don't make a Deliverance moment out of it, OK?

Well no if you look at what you are getting out of a mac v/s a pc you will see yes that both machines get outdated very quickly. but in my own experice i have a G4 Tower at home that was made in 1999 it out performs my p4 laptop that was made in 04 and apple's arcitecture is all around better but they don't have the market share. when apple was on top oh so many years ago and there was windows 3.0 and 3.1 what would you have wanted to deal with a mac that was pretty stable for it's time or a pc that was not very stable. but in the corporate world back then almost everything was as400 based systems and novel were the top dogs then but look at them now. back in 95 you could edit policy with novel on windows and it worked out great but you take a windows nt and nt 4.0 you couldn't but novel would load right on top of windows and would work fine. now microsoft only came out with that in windows 2k and 2k server.

and yes apple was behind the 8 ball for some time but now thay have a better product out there than microsoft does and you want to make it sound like it is some pos. but have you ever really used one in an IT. i can tell you that it is a life saver when you don't have to worry about a machine going down b/c of some update that was installed on your server with out you know untill it is too late.

MacOS X will still have decades to go before they gain the usability and functionality of Windows 95 let alone the bar that was raised with Windows Vista. Apple does a poor job at developing hardware and software, however as their marketshare is increasing you can see that they do an excellent job of marketing their garbage. I had a professor once that said that marketing alone does not sell a product, and I had pointed out that it does, and a great example is iPod. Apple did not invent the digitial music player, they just marketed it better, and thusly people believe that Apple invented the digitial music player.

You sound like a college kid from 1985 comparing DOS to MAC. It's wonderful satire. If it's serious, then it's actually really sad.

Ermmm...Well, im switching back to windows.

it seems that even when pretending to explain why mac-anything would be better than micro$oft, you guys can't help it but you have to mix fact and fiction in your sick little heads....

the difference between mac & microsoft when it comes to bundled software, partners, and anti-trust litigation?
you're right, apple asks no one, but if you want to remove ilife, you just delete the apps and the operating system keeps working. want to install adobe premiere instead of imovie? just delete imovie and install premiere - no pain, only gain.
try that on windoze ...

why does apple do so much development? to get products out there and raise the bar.
the set a standard with imovie and raised the bar significantly with final cut.
result; adobe withdrew for several years from the mac market, knowing it could not compete with what it had back then.
now they are back, stronger than ever.

as for security and plumbing; microsoft is damn right to put its development where it is most needed; in plumbing.
underneath the xp hood lurks one stinking mess of plumbing. all network-ports are open by default while the average business user well never anything more than a handful of them, multi-user system is a joke and only causes problems, the list goes on and on...

i'm seeing more and more windows users switch to mac and i'm only seeing vista users switch back to xp - despite the pain and suffering this causes when you've just bought a new machine and there are no drivers for xp....

i still have to see the first who make either of those switches the other way around...

THat is true VIsta doesn't ask you if you want to instal new upgrades it just does it(Every time that a new upgrade is available my computer restarts on its one even thou I never sad or do any thing that would Vista allow to do every thing on its one)

Why the fo is it that my 64bit ultimate vista install running on its recommended hardware has absolutely sod all on by my "hackintosh" install (not even designed to support AMD? it really is the acid test, even tho its biased in M$ favour. Vista practically didnt work and my OSX install flys - vista can barely keep firefox and a couple of tabs open + another program, while OSX can handle 40 odd tabs, safari, mail, photoshop, a tone of finder windows and more and manage to throw them around at the flick of the wrist using the expose features. there is absolutely no comparison, i cant even understand how its a debate. when people say they hate computers what they really mean is they hate windows, dont know anyone who hates their mac, whats that say eh?

Let me start off by saying I am not a Windows advocate by any means, I just hate when people misrepresent things when they don’t have the full grasp of perspective. There are pros and cons to both sides and I feel robbed of fair information by reading this so I decided to prepare a contradictory statement to balance the lopsidedness of this article. In that time span, I also took the liberty of flaming the author to keep things a little more interesting.

Boring. You need to edit the story about you waiting in line for an operating system. I mean, think about what you are saying… Seriously. Let me revise this quote for you. “We all gathered around a store in San Diego way before opening so that we could get our hands on something that pulls up our programs and emails but it looks cool." Or I could put it in these terms: "People all over San Diego stayed in line over night to get their hands on the new 6" torque wrench" That's all an operating system is... a tool.

“Generally, most people don’t buy operating systems.” Editorial: Probably because they have a job or something. (Sounds to me like the Californians are getting in line for a trend)

Partners. You are absolutely correct, Windows is annoying with all of the partners. But then again, you are paying half the price for a PC than a Mac, so I guess going to add/remove software on launch is worth the $800 in savings.

Antitrust Cases. Related to dumbassory: Did you just pass out on your keyboard to make a coherent sentence and decide to just add that paragraph in there to impress your Dave Mathew’s Band buddies?

What does that have to do with the operating system Leopard vs. Vista? “Apple asks no one” Editorial: neither do slaves in the mid 1800’s but you don’t see them developing GUI’s now do you?

Security. “Mac OS X doesn’t have the same security problems as Windows. Some reasons are architectural, while many more derive from Window’s platform success.” You almost hit a grand slam with that comment except you forgot to mention how not many people care about the Mac platform due to its loss in popularity in comparison to Windows based operating systems. (Meaning, mac gets more popular=more mac viruses)

Out of every single machine I have uploaded Kaspersky 2009 with 0/128 have been infected with a virus or spyware. (I have manually checked each computer)

Do me a favor, download something from the internet with leopard and see how many times it asks you “Are you sure you want to open this file?” I guarantee it will be the exact same amount as vista.

Conclusion. Everything from that point on was not about the actual operating system and therefore should be null and void from your thesis. You merely tried to use imagery as a scare tactic while boasting the Mac name. I feel that we have lost the sight that GUI’s are a tool, nothing more. Mac’s are necessary for certain types of people: The trend setters, the music compilation and creation groups, and Californians. Both Operating systems have the same types of pros and cons. For example, in leopard open up something that requires Java. Takes a long time doesn’t it? That’s because Mac has their own subsectors for program development, which make accessibility around the net a hassle (Indeed yes, more secure because no third party can write a program for it in theory).
My point that I am most respectably trying to convey is that there is an advantage to have competitors (Third party) try to work harder than their opposing developers.
One more example if I may…
Try syncing an Iphone to a Vista machine and then try synching a Black Berry to Leopard.
The Black Berry sync program sucks on leopard because there is only one available and it’s full of bugs, so you have no options but to deal with the one company over and over again.
Then again some kid in his basement developed a Iphone syncing program with no issues and was free of charge for Windows. (factual information, I’m speaking from experience)

The truth is I could talk trash about all of the problems in Vista, there is a ton, but there is also a ton in Leopard as well. They both equally suck. Thus, my personal preference is to spend way less money for a piece of trash then pay alot more money for a trendy piece of trash.

jeeeez....

no comparison over Leopard and Vista man...

its all about Microsoft and Apple....

Dumb article... or dumb title....

That's how smart Windows users are... :D