Coming soon to this thread, the usual accusations that your article is intent on bashing Leopard and promoting Vista. But I've already sort of come to the same conclusion as you. A Mac machine is still just a computer, and it will have the usual early "release shake-out blues" with its new operating system as Microsoft did with XP and with Vista.

After spending more than a year visiting the local Apple store and doing some short test drives and asking a lot of questions, it's clear that the Mac system isn't compelling enough to make the switch. A PC with Windows works okey-dokee for me, and that's that.

Until the issues you mention (or others) happen on a wide scale (hint: they won't), then your comment that Leopard being no better than Vista is at the very least unsupported, and at the most outright wrong. With Vista, the reported issues were widespread. Heck, it was hard to find anything but a horrible review of Vista in the first few months (and even now, for that matter). Compare that to the stellar reviews Leopard is receiving.

You're reaching anyway. Certainly some of your issues are a reach. Outlook web mail doesn't work in Safari? Well, sure, that's Apple's fault. Please. Also if you think Vista's UAC is ANYTHING like Leopard's security prompts, than I have to question your sanity. Honestly, this post, and your ridiculous rant about the "double standard" from a few days ago, are borderline trolling.

It's been less than a year, and you're already re-writing Vista's history. Wow.

I subscribe to your site because you tend to look at Microsoft critically, but lately you've changed from a Microsoft Watcher to simply an Apple-Basher. I guess the page hits were too hard to resist...

I'm not going to bash someone for disliking Mac OS X Leopard, but when someone comes from a Windows mindset, it doesn't matter what operating system they're trying to use, they have a closed mind about it. Nothing is perfect in the computing world, and you can't make everyone happy all the time. But, I've used OS X, Vista, and Linux, and Vista is pretty much put to shame in a lot of ways by both Mac and Linux. It's still more polished than Linux in some areas, but that's coming to an end sooner than you'd expect. The Mac, however, is mostly heads above what Vista was promised to be, let alone the disappointment it ended up being.

Why not check out Shimo as an alternative to Cisco VPN Client. I am not sure how it will perform under Leopard, but I have been enjoying it under Tiger a lot more than Cisco's application.

I'm glad Vista's shakedown is over and you're happy with it. I hope you're as patient and willing to try again with Leopard.

Regarding Cisco VPN alternatives. Leopard adds more VPN protocols and among them are Cisco protocols which were not available in Tiger.

You might check out the built-in VPN protocols provided by Leopard. You might find that Leopard has actually simplified your life.

Baloney.

FIRST thing I noticed when booting into Leopard on my Macbook Core 2 Duo 2G RAM laptop was how FAST Safari loaded pages, when compared to Tiger -- under Tiger, I would typically obtain 2 Mb/s+ when running one of the internet speed site tests. Under Leopard, I am typically in the mid-6 Mb/s download speed range -- Comcast is my provider.

So far, all of my applications seem to work properly -- to include my Leopard-beta VMWare -- quite an achievement for a major software upgrade.

Niffy

"Like Microsoft, Apple has added new and annoying security prompts to the operating system. This morning, I downloaded an updated NewsFire RSS reader and got a warning popup asking if I really wanted to open this application because it came from the Internet."

Actually, this was added in 10.4.7, and refined in Leopard. Upon FIRST launch (Windows does it on every launch) of a new application that came from the Internet you are told where it came from (URL), what application fetched it, and when it was downloaded. You are then asked if you want to run it. You are NOT asked again on subsequent launches. This is much more useful information than the UAC, and has nothing to do with the standard Mac security model of asking for a username/password which is what the UAC is most commonly compared to. This allows you to see immediately if this application was downloaded without your intervention, even a week later after it was downloaded and you run it for the 1st time.

I would be curious to know what method of installation you used. I prefer a clean install for a major OS revision. I did this with Leopard and have had nothing but good luck.

Increased speed. No conflicts. No crashes. In fact, I think memory management is vastly improved.

I can already see lot of features copied from Vista and given different name. Is Leopard the "Copy Cat".People commenting on Vista must work with a recent update and then comment on it rather than commenting based on beta or decade old releases.Anyway the world has already seen Vista's success in latest Microsoft's revenue announcement (even after the continuous hate from IT bloggers).That is the power of Microsoft..it's product's are customer friendly and very flexible for home and enterprise use (May not be IT bloggers friendly). Now with the release of SP1 (by the way it's free and does not come out with a new cat name, just to empty user's wallet) it'll be more complete than ever.

For Mail to delete files off the server, as always go to preferences-Accounts-Mialbox behavior, and change it.

I cant believe you wrote a review after only two days. Joe, you know windows guys cant process the info that fast.

Pope

Reason #1: Leopard only runs on one brand of hardware.

Over the years, I have bought DOS/Windows personal computers from IBM, Dell, and HP. With Leopard, your only computer hardware choices are Apple, Apple, and Apple.

Can anyone else believe what crap Microsoft Watch has become lately? Wilcox has turned into Dvorak: writing flame bait with no technical merit or journalistic integrity just to boast an increase in views. I'm removing Microsoft Watch from my list of RSS feeds. I advise everybody to do the same.

Joe , you are really a joker .

Within a week , you commented a product with an extreme dichotomy views:

1) Why Leopard is better than Vista

2) Why Leopard isn't better than Vista.

As I mentioned few times before, your perception kill you. You praise and embrace Leopard last week although you have not get it tested

See now ..

Joe, for every new OS, there is a pain to learn and upgrade.

Now you are facing the problem with Leopard as similar to the problem you faced in dealing with Vista.

I hope that you have learned a lession , not to keep bashing Vista ...

Leopard or Vista , you decide yourself ..

Joe, for every new OS, there is a pain to learn and upgrade.

Now you are facing the problem with Leopard as similar to the problem you faced in dealing with Vista.

I hope that you have learned a lession , not to keep bashing Vista ...

Leopard or Vista , you decide yourself ..

Congratulate to Mr Joe Wilcox :

Don't be despair

Now at least you have a reason to bash Apple as well.

It is time to change your column to :

((Microsoft - Apple)x Watch))x Bash

Joe wrote : I have little to complain about and lots more to like about Vista than I did in February.

Since you have tested Leopard , you hate it , you "re-love" Vista .

Then you should test Ubuntu and Open Office , you will hate it and you will love your Microsft Office again .

So , in your mind , the "evil empire " won ..,.

I got my copy of Leopard on Saturday too. It works great. I haven't found a problem yet. Safari hasn't crashed, and all of my apps work.

Marty, everyone, I suspect that Joe Wilcox may have posted both columns "Why Leopard is Better than Vista" and "Why Leopard Isn't Better than Vista" today deliberately to make a point. (In fact, it might help elaborate on what was posted about double standards.)

Funny, I read at least eleven Leopard reports from other such as ArsTechnica and Cnet and they say the exact opposite of what Joe Wilcox says! What gives?

I really can't trust Joe anymore. I will go with the other reports, after all, they agree. How can one guy be so different from the others? Something smells fishy here?

Wes has a point.

May be Joe just want to show to us that he is impartial that he will condemn both Apple and non-Apple

May be not , he hate Microsoft so much that he has to put his hope on Apple.

May be not , he is such an hopeless installar which he fails to install both Leopard and Vista using his own hands and brain

May be not , he is probably a Llinux lobbyist

May be not, his ex-Jupiter Research did not train him hard enough to analyse

Joe , you are indeed confused , you probably need theraphy

1) Isn't that a story told and retold about Vista, where people went back to XP

2) I have little to complain about and lots more to like about Vista than I did in February

So , what do you use now ?

From XP switch to Vista and then switch to Leopard and then go back to Vista and will later switch back to XP .

Dear Readers and Joe Wilcox :

The entry " Why Leopard is better than Vista " is posted on Monday , October 29, 2007 4:16pm/EST

AND :

The entry " Why Leopard isn't better than Vista " is posted on Monday , October 29, 2007 4:17pm/EST

My question is how can a writer twisted his mind in just ONE Second from 4:16pm to 4:17pm.

I can conclud that Joe had prior written these two article before any testing on Leopard is done. In fact I suspect Joe has not been touching on Leopard up to now

He than posted it one after another in such a way to create dramatic and sensational effect.

He just want to play around reader's sentiment and emotion .

But , what a good tactic @@#!@$%

I upgraded 3 home systems on Friday... yep, there are some issues. But no show stoppers. My personal laptop is among the new Leopards... it is heavily used. VPN Tracker is busted, but they have a v5.0 beta that works. I already enjoy better productivity with several apps. There will be a few patches to fix the worst glitches soon. Just don't be to eager to install this yet on mission critical systems. (If you didn't already know this, then you should not be upgrading anything!)

All things considered it looks like this Cat will grow up fast.

Don Williams wrote: "I read at least eleven Leopard reports from other such as ArsTechnica and Cnet and they say the exact opposite of what Joe Wilcox says! What gives? I really can't trust Joe anymore."

Hi, Don,

Many--but, of course, not all--reviewers got Macs from Apple with Leopard preloaded. I preformed an upgrade over Tiger, which is what most people would do. Apple's forum on Leopard installations is rife with problems. My installation went fine, but this forum is more indicative of real world situation than are the reviews. Some people will have problems.

I've been using Macs since 1998, and this is the second Mac OS X version that bugged me. The original came up short in big ways--like no support for optical drives shipped on Macs--but I tried to love it. Every version since the first really satisfied.

Leopard has many new and enticing features, but there are bound to be problems, too. Vista got a bad rap for its compatibility problems and UI changes. Leopard is no different in having problems, which was the point of the post.

By the way, Fake Steve Jobs has an amusing missive on Leopard installation problems.

Joe

But Joe, I don't think you tested Leopard. I don't think you like or dislike Leopard.

To me , it is your boss' request to ask you to do some balancing act before your 100% bias to bash Microsoft

At least we are shown that you start to bash Apple.

But, then , the focus should be on Microsoft and its roadmap , not the like-or-dislike Vista.

And all these shallow topics should not be publishd in future

Sleuth bring up an interesting point which I think you need to explain clearly

Here is yet another fault in Leopard.
This article was neowin.net

Early adopters of Apple's newly released OS X 10.5 Leopard operating system may soon have a sour taste in their mouth as reports file in that users are unable to work with the latest version of the Java programming language. Following the release of OS X Leopard on Friday evening, threads began to appear in Apple's support forum where numerous users reported that code written in Java 1.6 (also known as Java 6) failed to execute. The problem allegedly lies in an outdated version of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM), an application that allows OS X to interpret and run Java code. Java 1.6 was officially released in December 2006, but Leopard reportedly supports only Java 1.4 due to Apple's insistence on developing the JVM themselves, rather than allow Sun to do it. Apple did not respond to a request for comment.

Users on Apple's support forums are, to say the least, a bit miffed at the development. "This is a show stopper for me, and I will have to revert to 10.4, since my job as a software engineer for Sun requires Java 6," wrote one user. "This will likely prevent a lot of people from upgrading." Users were further angered when many of the threads about the issue were reportedly deleted from Apple's support forum without explanation.

Sleuth wrote: "I can conclud that Joe had prior written these two article before any testing on Leopard is done. In fact I suspect Joe has not been touching on Leopard up to now."

Nope, I wrote both posts on Monday, one after the other in the order they appeared. But I held the first one until the second was ready.

There was no intention "to create dramatic and sensational effect," but to offer balance. The posts aren't self-exclusive. The titles may be similar, but the content is not. Two very different perspectives are offered about Leopard and Vista.

I never write about using software that I haven't used. Of course, I've used Leopard, which I installed on three different Macs.

To Wes: I didn't write both posts to make any point. I started to write only the one, but decided on a second post about midway through the first. Had Leopard satisfied like the last three versions of Mac OS X, there would have been no second post.

To John: I never said, or even insinuated, that I hate Leopard, nor did I suggest any "re-love" for Vista. The operating systems are just tools to me. I have work to do and will use what gets the job done--and that includes content created for personal use. I would be more likely to use a Mac for iLife than for Leopard.

Joe

Leopard has had trouble from the start.
Vista didn't have these high level critical problems when it came out. Sure there was driver issues, but not BSODs (specially while installing it), application incompatibility, critical UI issues, people not pleased with the Dock, the menu bar, and the list will probably keep on going for a while.
For all those people who poked fun at Vista during its early history, who's laughing now.
Leopard was supposed to be a much more reliant OS than Vista .... I don't think so !!!

Joe , your reply does not sound logical .

If you have written the first article, " Why Leopard is better than Vista" , logically you will not immediately embark to write an article to revert your decision and against it in the same day , It sound strange , right ?!

The difference of publishing time is only ONE SECOND . One second ..that is a click to post two entry .. right ..?!@

Even you wrote the first article and immediately to the Leopard testing on the same day , you will hesitate to write to against it. Your mind will be struggling .."to be or not to be " situation

I sincerely doubt your reply

Leopard is out?Really? Can I download it and install it on my PC? Oh I forgot I have to buy a new Mac for it...GET MY DRIFT? New Version...new computer....

Microsft Watch Proclaims Vista is Better Than Leopard Shocker!!!

Anybody who really knows, reads John Siracusa reviews.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars

Joe Wilcox,enjoy your bed with Paul Thurrot and Robert Enderle ;-)

You'll stop hedging your bets soon enough. Just install Vista on your Mac and be done with it. If you're hard enough!

"Diminished performance compared to the predecessor operating system"

At least for Leopard, I disagree on this point.

Personally Leopard is significantly faster than Tiger on my Core2Duo MacBook. Applications start faster, reactivity is better...etc. ANd I did an upgrade, which mean that I have the same exact applications installations than when I was on Tiger.

This is by the way confirmed on numerous reviews, including the one fron Ars Technica who are known to make very good and accurate reviews. So maybe you got a problem on your Mac more specifically?

@Evan

Download it? No it's illegal, you have to BUY it :)

Also you don't need a new Mac, you need a Mac, any Mac with at least a G4 are supported... Well if you have a G4 lower than 867MHz you'll have to do a small trick, but it works, and it works well :)

Ah but maybe you don't have a Mac yet? Well it's still possible, but illegal... Just like putting a Ferrari engine on a Land Rover :)

Joe,

at least with Leopard you won't need to dump any computer older than 6 months as with Vista just to get it to work... Why, why do all companies emit drawbacks about switching to Vista? Are ALL those IT-guys mad or what? Why on earth would they then keep ol' good XP in the house if Vista was so good?
And, "one more thing" ;o), you're trying to compare a major update from Microsoft that needed 6 years to come out without anything really new except what could be expected from an OS, and that needs a brand new computer to work, to a major update from Apple that needed 1 and a half year to come out, which is not revolutionary but has some nice features and from which you could have read (if you would have bothered to get informed before you wrote) about some bugs but a general flawless integration.
Vista IS a bug, a 6-years old bug. It looks now pretty ok, but the huge amount of resources it needs to achieve only this lets it lay way behind Linux or MacOS X, which don't need a newest generation 256MB graphic card to make a single window flip over...
I have to admit I'm now a Mac user, and that I hated Macs until 1 year ago, until I discovered Intel Macs and Tiger. I bought a MacBook Pro 6 months ago, and really, truely (I swear I was a Microsoft fan before), I would never, ever go back to the worries and heaviness of Windows.
Please, Joe, inform yourself correctly before you post such a piece of.... You are really "mala fide" and cheating your readers for me...

Think about it

apple fanboys are so retardd

4 different versions of VISTA, only one and complete version of LEOPARD.

Windows Vista Ultimate
Minimum supported system requirements

===> Certain product features are not available with minimum supported requirements.

* 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
* 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

Mac OS X Leopard
Minimum supported system requirements
Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor

minimum system requirements
* 512MB of memory
* DVD drive for installation
* 9GB of available disk space

Windows Vista Ultimate
Minimum supported system requirements
===> Certain product features are not available with minimum supported requirements.

No comment ...

JP,
My computer is 3 years old. Runs Vista happily with a 3.7 performance index....

You will always find a computer that does this and that... I believe in what you say, Evan, but maybe you did buy a top-of-the-line computer at that time? It's probably not the case of everybody. I mean, what I find stupid somehow, is that even if you buy a brand new PC today, half of its great resources will be used up by the OS itself already... I really think Microsoft should (and they probably will!) re-think all their OS from A to Z, including (especially) the file system which is way too heavy and causes all the flaws and suddenly slow machines when more than 2 programs are opened simultaneously.
I'm no apple fanboy as "steve jobs" mentioned 3 posts ago, as I've been working and having fun on Windows computer since 15 years. But I just talk from my experience as a switcher. And this experience is great! Over the last 6 months I lost way less time as I did under Windows OS (driver problems, virus in spite of a good antivirus, ...). I've been very happy with my Dell computer, which ran flawless during 6 years (and still works well), but you all know that, suddenly, thanks to Windows updates, drivers don't work anymore for your both CD drives (how come?) and you have to spend 3.5 hours to find out you have to delete a registry key to let it work again. I was really fed up with that, and my experience to date tells me it was worth the switch...
I don't want to bash anybody or anything here, if you guys feel agressed, then run over this post and read the next, I just wanted to tell Joe he shoud be in good faith when making comments.
cheers

I like Leopard - its usability is high though I have reservations about Time Machine (if your Mac dies and your other machine is a PC...) and some other features. The overall impression is excellent.

However, it runs (officially) only on Apple hardware - and that's the rub. Apple's support service leaves much to be desired. Dell will give me (and has) next day, on-site service and XP works well enough on my machines. Will I switch to Macs? Not till Apple matches Dell for service. I reckon that most users who rely on their computers will decide similarly.

Hey WILCOX!

Still trying to bash Apple and OS X, how it comes that all the thing that you are saying do not apply to me or to any other reviewers of Leopard on the web? I mean for example, the serious Arstechnica made a very precise and deep review and they noticed the improved performance compared to Tiger.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars

So that comes that you are the only who say that Leopard is slower than Tiger.

In my case Leopard on my macbook pro or my 5 years old G4 has showed very pronounced performance improvement. Safari is faster, booting up takes less than 15 seconds (compaed that to the time that Vista needs top boot) on macbook pro, the finder is well faster than in Tiger, applications starts well faster too.

I did not have any troubles with Safari in terms of stability or any kind of applications compatibilities problems.

I did have some issues with X11, but they are known issues that Apple will fix soon.

So should i conclude that you are a big windows fan boy lier?

I guess i do that....

Ah yes remove your photo , it is just ugly.....

Joe Says:
"To Wes: ...I started to write only the one, but decided on a second post about midway through the first."

@Joe:
Come on Joe, that's trolling!

Yeah, lets hit a bee hive with a 'Louisville slugger' and lets see what happens.

But in the final analysis, YOU got your desired results.

PS. I don't have a dog in this fight (no pun intended). @Joe; Both articles had no journalistic integrity. Just one person's observation.

Hakime Says:
Ah yes remove your photo , it is just ugly.....

Click here for a better looking photo ;-)

@Joe:
Ya must've "Peed" in somebody cereal this morning.

Vista runs just fine on a two year old desktop and one year old laptop.

Apple needs to be critizied highly for these issues. Even more so when they are supposedly the kings of usibility and stability.

I to am left unimpresseed with Leopard. I will continue to use it, but there isn't much new that is really usible for me. I do like the new look, very nice.

Spaces was ripped off from Linux. Coverflow was bought, not Apples idea and is really only going to useful with documents. Bootcamp is cool. I'd like to know the magic behind making Windows run. Time machine, just a fancy look to a backup program. Sorry, give me something else instead.

I'm with you Joe, what's up with the new prompt when running an application? I already downloaded it, installed it and now I'm prompted again? Please. I already elevated when I installed it as well. Can't the OS keep track of the fact that I entered an admin name and password. OH ya, that is more work than in Vista too. Only an admin password required in Vista. Also, what happened to my little icon that showed when the mail app was actually checking to see if there is email? I step backwards there.

What's up with all the application problems? I could argue that Leopard isn't ready for primetime if I was to use the same headlines I saw for Vista.

Why the BSODs? They are blaming a third party developer for being in the OS where they shouldn't? Come on. Work with them anyway. They had to have known this was coming.

Networking is worse in Leopard. It won't see my windows machines, but they can see the Mac.

I think I will like the stacking feature, seems handy.

It's a nice step in the OS. Vista was a much bigger step and it should be considering the development time it had. Apple should not be given a free pass because they are the makers of the iPod.

@David :
For reference, maybe you need to read one of Joe's previous article,
Vista: None for All?

[Article's conclusion]
"If Windows really mattered, why would any business go backwards?"

Proof positive, positive proof, he's just trolling...

@Joe:

Thanks to Lars Erlandsen [at] LT.

"Split the pile in two.."

"Brian,

You have apoint: If we bury our heads in the sand, we are deluding ourselves that all is good in the Linux world. However, when we are dealing with known trolls, it would be good to know so and not waste too much emotional energy on them.

Create a new category (fan-the-flames, trollstories, inciting-bloggers, whatever), and drop them there. Good articles if you need a laugh; generally ignored and not fed the oxygen of publicity at all other times.

Lars Erlandsen."

@Joe:
Why not consider something like this?

All you are really doing is giving folks gastric ulcer.

Folks go to work to have a nice day, not to be greeted with 'spam'... Think about it.

Some folks may read it for a good laugh if it's categorize corretly.

Let's not bring 'WWE Wrestling to bloging. ;-)

Yeah, there are some dings in Leopard. I just installed it last night on a dual 2GHz G5, and just finished on a 17" MacBook Pro Core 2 duo 2.33 GHZ at work. A few utilities in Mail didn't work.

I love it so far. Networking just fine. Safari, not one crash. Interface, getting used to it. Not nearly as bad as portrayed here. Cisco VPN? Yeah, to be expected. It's Cisco after all. Same thing happpened in Tiger. This is a .0 release (as is Vista) so there are bound to be some bugs. But so far this is the best .0 of OS X I've seen, and I've used every version since the public beta.

If you think this is no better than Vista, then you need to get a credibility transplant. Because with only a few hours time spent on Leopard so far, this is so far and away better than Tiger, and Tiger is so much better than Vista that I have to laugh to conclude that another Microsoft astroturfer has spoken, regardless of the facts.

I think sir that you are a numpty.

Vista is a poor attempt at becoming OS X 10.4...and it fails miserably. Cmpatibility is still poor as blue screen errors are an every day occurance from six people I know that use it.

Leopard is a massive step up from Tiger...and ive installed three copies of it now on different machines...with NO problems whatsoever. It is faster, better looking and more advanced than tiger and most definately Vista which is still a good three years away from Apple for an advanced OS.

Yer an idiot... Even Windows users don't like Vista ah!

Performance has degraded? You must be the only person that's experienced this. The general consensus is that performance has improved. And yes, it has.

Annoying security pop-ups? Want to to a comparison of a fresh install of Vista and OS X. Use both for an hour and compare how many pop-ups occur in one against the other? I bet Vista will be way ahead. It would be at a similar ratio to the number of Vista installs compared to OS X in the world.

Neil quoted an article on the lack of Java 6 in Leopard: "The problem allegedly lies in an outdated version of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM), an application that allows OS X to interpret and run Java code. Java 1.6 was officially released in December 2006, but Leopard reportedly supports only Java 1.4 due to Apple's insistence on developing the JVM themselves, rather than allow Sun to do it. Apple did not respond to a request for comment."

This is inaccurate, and I wanted to set the record straight. The article on neowin.net inaccurately quotes from an article on vnunet at http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2202328/apple-leopard-stomach-java

Leopard ships with JDK 1.5, not 1.4 as stated in the neowin.net article.

Java 1.5 has been in Tiger since almost the beginning. JDK 1.5 was available for Tiger from early on, and was made the default VM quite some time ago with a system update. (It was not the default VM initially. There's a utility in Tiger that lets you set which JVM is the default.)

Java 6 was available from Apple's developer site as a free download for Tiger, but this early access beta was pulled off Apple's site recently with no explanation. I attended JavaOne in 2006 and attended a birds-of-a-feather session featuring Apple's Java engineers, who promised that Apple would no longer lag so far behind Sun in delivering up-to-date Java runtimes. They were demoing the latest Java 6 build on MacBook Pros.

Then, as recently as February of 2007, Steve Jobs publicly dissed Java, saying in effect that nobody develops in Java anymore. This is a far cry from the Steve Jobs who once gave a keynote at JavaOne and promised that OS X would be a premier platform for Java. Granted, Jobs' more recent comments were made in the context of discussing phone software development and the iPhone, but he was off-base there too -- most mobile phone software is still developed in Java these days.

James Gosling has stopped carrying around a MacBook Pro and explained why in recent blog posts. So it seems that many people in the Java world have caught on to Apple's shift in developer focus. The deprecation of the Java-Cocoa bridge was an early sign of this; now that Apple is promoting Cocoa bindings for Ruby and Python, we can see that Java has lost its luster in Cupertino.

It was almost enough to put me off buying any more Apple laptops. But a couple recent abortive attempts at buying non-Apple hardware (Acer and HP) made me realize that despite Apple's mis-steps in the software realm, their track record is pretty good overall. So I find myself in the position of contemplating picking up a MacBook or a MacBook Pro, but then using Parallels or Boot Camp to set up a Linux environment just so I can be able to do Java 6 development. Maybe now that Java is Open Source, an OS X port of Java 6 won't be too far away.

iFrodo
Evan meant that he doesn't have a Mac, and that to run Leopard he would have to buy one, which he didn't intend on doing.
That is why he said "GET MY DRIFT? New Version...new computer...."
People who have PC's will not switch to Leopard and buy a MAc as well.
Leopard is really only for people who currently own a Mac, not for PC users !

If Leopard is worse than Vista, then it is funny though, that Microsoft Vista programmers use the Mac OS X as a reference design, and copy the OS X GUI straight right over to Vista:

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

Actually, Leopard will run well on Macs made as far back as 2001. Will Vista run on a 6 year old computer? The answer is no. Leopard will run on an 8 year Mac if you upgraded the CPU to 867GHz or better, starting at a cost of $150. Add the $129 leopard and that's what it Vista Ultimate will cost, and you still have money for more RAM. Of course, most of Mac users and Windows users [I am both] will not upgrade to either. Leopard is not a service pack, as it has loads of new features and apps. Microsoft would charge you for them, you know Windows ME and XP. Duh.

I am a Mac user, and a very enthusiastic one. One might even call me a "fanboy," but I happen to think the combination of these two reviews appears to be a good attempt to put forth some balanced views on the subject. We Mac users tend to be in defend and attack mode so often that we fail to realize when someone is really trying to be objective. I certainly think the concerns Joe has raised concerning Leopard are legitimate. The fact that he is in the Windows camp does not make them any less so.

Steven wrote : The fact that he (Joe) is in the Windows camp does not make them any less so

But Joe is hardly on Windows camp. He just possesses too much of negative influence in his mind.

Now he can't even write a nuetral statement on Microsoft

Wow this article is and the article Why Leopard is better than vista just about 100% bs. I mostly use windows too, but I know the security prompts don't come that often on mac os, as they do in vista. The 300 utilities don't any complexity, and why does a windows magazine have to point out apple vs microsoft business models. They is a operating system review not a business review. Microsoft can prebuilt all the applications they want into vista, partnerships should not stop them from good business. So what you had a device that didn't work properly, in windows I get incompatibility problems all the time, by that comes with every os, no need to point it out like it' s a huge problem. In every os I have had compatiblity problems, and that includes ubuntu.

The usuablity is leopard is greater,not less.

The interface is clearer, and easier to use.
You said that you have used tiger, but you didn't elaboarate on the itunes like finder.

This article is b.s. plain and simple. Consumers don't care why vista got more viruses, and holes. Or why vista didn't come with the many tools the leopard offer, or why leopards intregration with hardware is better cause it's made apple.
We care about the OS we receive at the end of the day, and for sure leopard is not a test product.

I'm loving Spaces and its virtual desktop environment. Never thought I'd even use Spaces and it has fast become one of my favorite Leopard features. Quick Look is awesome, too. Talk about a productivity enhancer — I don't even have to launch Microsoft Office to view files.

Leopard is just better. Everything is better on a Apple computer than a Windows

I am so glad that Apple doesn't pay any attention to "analysts" or techie bloggers. Apparently, Apple actually pays attention to what their customers want/need and surprisingly enough - delivers, stable, secure, attractive products that are reasonably priced. "Wake up Windows Users - the Matrix has you!" My story is simple - I'm 42 years old, and currently run a technical consulting company. I have been using Windows/OS professionally since 1991. 18 months ago, and in the middle of major proposal - my 2 year old XP machine died on me. After several days of fruitless tech support, I decided to save what files I could and move to my sons Mac Mini ( PPC ). It turned out to be the best day of my computing life! Shortly there after, I purchased a Mac Book Pro ( Intel ) and effortlessly ported my user environment to my new machine. It couldn't have been any simpler or more flawless. Since then my Mac has ALWAYS exceeded my expectations in every way over my Windows experience. By my own conservative calculation I have SAVED 1 hour a week in time that I have not had to devote to crashes, viruses, software problems, tech support calls, etc all due to OSX and Apples rock solid hardware. That's at least 52 hours of massive frustration and non-productivity that I have avoided thanks to Steve Jobs and Apple's Engineers just giving a damn about little old me and working real hard to make my computing experience better and better. My Mac Book Pro is slightly more than a year old. If you offered to give me a top of the line HP/ or Dell Vista laptop with all the bells and whistles today - with the only condition being that I had to only use that Vista machine for one year - my answer would simply be - NO. Even if you threw in an ADDITIONAL $1000 dollars cash to do what I wished with but with the same condition of not using anything but Vista for a Year. My Answer would still be NO. It is literally true that you couldn't PAY me to switch back to Windows. Thank you Apple!

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Leopard sucks. It feels clunkier than Vista does. In fact, Vista runs nicer on my brand new Macbook, than Leopard (which was pre-installed by Apple).

I read this article thinking that you'd have some intelligent to say, but alas, you didn't. You say Leopard is worse than Vista for adopting features that Vista has (the dialog about downloading applications) and you complain that CISCO doesn't work when an update was swiftly released and, as you note, you found it.

Maybe you don't understand computers very well?

A bit about your complaints - I am a new switcher, so I made my decision, but I will try to stop that from affecting my opinions.

Some UI changes aren't always necessary, but are done anyways. Take for example the UI switch from Windows ME to XP, the UI changes did nothing but to perhaps complicate things a bit, so they look nicer. Similarly, Apple has followed suit. Aside from the strange (yet loved and controversial) dock, the new UI is practically the same, but with a few transparencies.

I have been using Leopard now for about 9 months, and have yet to encounter a single program conflict. I have run dozens of betas, and hundreds of different programs, often installing, then uninstalling them repeatedly, and still have had no issues (yes, VMWare included). On the whole, statistically measured, I have a 2% increase in productivity from Tiger, and a ~300% increase in productivity from XP (things get done in about a quarter of the time). Indeed it is faster, and the new interface is more efficient.

Though I agree that the new shipped programs do lack a few features, they also have many that most others don't. I haven't had a single pre-packaged Apple program crash yet, and none of them have sustained glitches, or un-called-for pauses. I figure all Apple has to do is get on the ball with its program feature sets.

About the security warnings, those DO only come on FIRST launch, never again, they are hardly a pain, and you can get rid of them, permanently, without true fear of infection, so they're just eye-candy so you feel safe. You don't want it, you get rid of it.

The mail issue requires some knowledge of OS X, which, considering you only had it for two days, isn't enough. Its very simple. Go to preferences, press accounts, and pop-down the menu to delete after -- days on mail server. Done!

Safari has never crashed with me, and I get P2P and file download rates of >800kb/s, I don't think thats too sluggish, generally takes me the lesser part of a half-minute to download anything useful - with AirPort Extreme too. And VPN... did you know OS X has its own VPN Client, built in, that it comes with - its Cisco compatible... why did you get a 3rd party VPN Client?

I've used all versions of Windows since 3.1, all the way up to Vista Ultimate, and most all the Vista beta seeds. I have also closely followed Apple and OS X, since 9.1, and I must say that each has their own windfall, and downside, but a few tweaks here and there are what puts one on top of the other, even if just for a while. Notably, grudges against Apple should start to lift soon, as the company has seen remarkable "clean-up" since the millennium and real progress is being made here to make a user-friendly UNIX environment. Don't put down either, until you actually know, and I beleive that few of us here are actually experienced enough to rank the two giants against each other. Give the Pro-this, pro-that thing a rest.

Sorry, spelling issue: where I said I've been watching progression of OS X, since 9.1, that doesn't make any sense. i'm just too used to typing OS X. I meant the Apple OS since 9.1 - sorry.

Sorry, spelling issue: where I said I've been watching progression of OS X, since 9.1, that doesn't make any sense. I'm just too used to typing OS X. I meant the Apple OS since 9.1 - sorry.

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Apple FanBoys are so emotional.

Folks, if you are thinking about becoming a "switcher" as fanboys like to say, first do yourself a favor. Go to Apple.com and drill down into troubleshooting for Safari. You will find 150 troubleshooting items. BTW, same for Macbook, macbook pro, etc. The only reason there are only 150 is that Apple limits the number to 150. After all, Apple has its reputation to protect. They would not want to list 1,000 items now, would they? Fanboys like the Apple "experience" and most are nontechs. In fact, every mac user I know is an artist of some type: graphic designer, photographer, etc. Not exactly left-brains. Not exactly computer experts you should trust.

Theres a simple reason why you are wrong. You tested this OS soon after it came out, and thus it was obviously buggy. I have a friend who bought vista within a week after it came out, and I watched it crash endlessly.

So yeah, perhaps when you tested it, Vista was better, but only because the setup is biased.

In addition, Vista's code is extremely bulky and inefficent, and the UI is both unoriginal and counterintuitive.

That's why Bill Gates admitted to copying leopard.

I challenge you to try again now, or have an unbiased person try it, and just watch what happens.