"Will everyone please shut the hell up about Windows Seven?"

Let's speculate about Vista SP2 first. (grin)

"Will everyone please shut the hell up about Windows Seven?"

Someone needed to say it...and he's right...it's annoying...

Hyping Win7 can only serve to hinder the adoption of Vista. Nobody wishing to be Microsoft's pal would want that.

"But enough said about Seven. Vista, anyone?"

Um, no, I don't think so. I have Vista on two of my PCs and I am not happy with the operating system. If you must replace your PC, you'll get Vista with your new machine. Fine. Otherwise, I would recommend against giving Vista another thought. It simply doesn't deserve it.

(I have two Vista PCs, two with XP, one with Ubuntu, and an iMac G5. I don't play favourites.)

Who in their right mine wants vista, i just keep removing the piece of crap off customers name brand
garbage PCs, 45 now and i'm just a one man shop I can see why people want a new winblows vista sure not it.

Windows Seven , The salvation?.....hummm, 2009, 2010
2 years more, possibly 3 or 4 new editions of ubuntu (it improve a lot each time) and it's the base of others distros...hummm
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It remember me to competition of 4*400 relay... and to MS returning to pick up the baton (Vista) that they dropped...

Windows Vista is a tainted brand name (like Windows ME) which Microsoft has obviously realized it needs to move away from ASAP.

The solution - start talking about the next windows right now.

Enthusiasts are talking about Windows 7 to save face. If all they have to show for $20 Billion and years of work is Vista, they end up being very depressed. What they need is something to spur their faith that Microsoft really does understand the internet and really does have technology that will allow them to work on the internet... you know... just like Bill Gates said Microsoft would be doing in all those speeches he made before 2005. Never mind Microsoft has failed to deliver on any of their internet promises. But, the fanatic devotee never sees failure. The fanatic devotee sees only the future stretching out beyond giving the devotee a way to hold on to hope and have faith SOMEthing will happen.

Windows 7 is what Microsoft disciples are holding on to. They inherently grasp the failure of Vista and they need something they can point to so they can talk to their friends with at least a glimmer of a future vision.

Where the hell is Ray Ozzie, anyway? Why aren't they talking about him and all his "innovations"? Well, for one, he's disappeared and he hasn't produced anything remotely looking like an innovation. So how can you talk about somebody who doesn't exist and doesn't do anything?

Meanwhile the industry realizes Microsoft has a huge technology gap and can't deliver on their web promises. I'll be very surprised to see Microsoft actually deliver on their plan to reveal Silverlight 2.0 March at MIX 08.

We'll see if the Microsoft devotees will manage to have anything worth believing in for real.

Two weeks ago, Joe Wilcox of Microsoft Watch insisted “Microsoft, you need to get some good leaks out there to generate buzz. Please, let’s see more of this. … If (Shipping) Seven provides some juicy details, people will subscribe to his or her feed, and enthusiast sites will report or blog every little feature.”

Today, an obviously different Joe demands radio silence over Windows 7 proclaiming “buzz about the next Windows version distracts potential Vista adopters.”

Unfortunately this appears to be a dilemma only affecting Microsoft. In contrast, Apple who announced OSX Leopard (10.5) in June of 2005, two years before its eventual release had no problems selling Tiger (10.4) nor Tiger-based Macs through almost two full years.

A year after Leopard’s announcement in 2006, Apple sold 1.61 million Macs with Tiger, 30% growth over the year. When Leopard eventually was released in 2007, Apple sold a record 2.16 million Macs with Leopard, 34% growth over the year. Buzz about the next OSX version, even though Leopard didn’t change all that much from 2005 to 2007, surely didn’t distract any Apple adopters.

Joe also argues “(Windows) Seven won’t be a big, splashy successor, so why make it seem so?” I agree. In fact, these screenshots and videos are in some ways helping users understand Windows 7 is not some space-age operating system that’s going to shift every Windows paradigm into overdrive. Joe even shares a little about his shady past, “I recall the M1 leaks of Windows Longhorn back in 2003. I downloaded and used the warez software before writing about it. The UI already radically departed from Windows XP.” The difference here is Longhorn started off looking like the space-age operating system when it never could have been. Windows 7 on the other hand, looks modest and realistic.

After only insulting the blogger behind Shipping Seven, Joe turns around to say “I do see value in the Shipping Seven blog, which appears to be written by a Microsoft insider with some common sense.”

But what Joe really means is that we stop talking about Windows 7 after he’s had the last word. He speculates “PDC 2008 tips off that Windows Seven’s target release will be 2009. Microsoft generally, but not always, coordinates developer conferences with new Windows version development.” Gee, playing the release guess-date card so soon?

Its funny, I just read the blog of ex-Apple employee Jens Alfke. WHile Apple is open on the inside, he complains about the singularity of Apple exterior voice. I totally disagree, As a AAPL shareholder, I appreciate the value that Steve Jobs has put on his presentations by making it THE WORD. A clearly thought out and simple marketing message. Repeated cleanly and precisely through all media. No failed promises given by company blogs. Scoble was a complete disaster for MS as he simply muddied whatever message whatever division was halfheartedly trying to get out. Microsoft would do well to find a charismatic face for the company (NOT Ballmer) and have him/her be the SOLE conduit and make sure that the message/client benefit of the statements are focused and well thought out.

Quotes from Joe;

"...and, sorry, Seven won't be a big, splashy successor, so why make it seem so?

The company had already stated that the post-Vista development approach would be major releases every four years and minor ones every two years."
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What this means is what a few of us already know, Seven is the minor release, based on Vista code, or to put it another way, Windows Seven will basically be Vista with SP2 intergrated, and sold as Seven. It will still contain the DRM and WGA features.

For those of you waiting for something better than Vista, forget Windows Seven in 2009, go to distrowatch.com and download some good Linux distros, or buy a Mac. Windows Seven will be more Vista code, not a major revision.
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Quote from Joe;

"If Windows enthusiasts really care about the operating system, they shouldn't propagate this stuff either. Has no one learned any lessons from Windows Vista? Early noise about Longhorn hurt XP adoption and later Vista. There, enthusiasts and Microsoft share blame."
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Oh my, does this mean I really don't care about poor quality Windows Vista coded Software? Is it about hurting Micro$oft, or telling the truth about their software Joe? The truth will set you free. So won't Linux.

Long Zheng wrote: "Two weeks ago, Joe Wilcox of Microsoft Watch insisted 'Microsoft, you need to get some good leaks out there to generate buzz.'"

Hi, Long Zheng,

Compliments to your blogging. Wonderful stuff.

It's one thing for Microsoft to leak real stuff, and in a way that also benefits Vista. It's something else for there to be buzz about a fake-looking M1 build.

The fanastic devotee if a real devotee needs to look at how he or she can make things better. Wildly speculating on a future product doesn't make sense when there is so much bad buzz about the newest product. The enthusiast should help people understand the benefits of Vista.

The Apple comparison doesn't work, because Apple had consistent, successive OS releases. Microsoft had a huge release gap, which it filled with hype about Longhorn and then a series of feature retractions. Vista had baggage even before its release, and things really got worse after the release.

I hope you're right and the M1 leaks properly set expectations for Windows Seven.

I didn't insult the Shipping Seven blogger. Why do you think that?

I brought up the release date, because it is an integral part of Windows Seven buzz. There's no need for wild speculation, which was my point.

I wasn't seeking the last word on Windows Seven.

By the way, you seem a little defensive. The post wasn't aimed at you. Granted, your blog had some of the better information on the leaks. But I wasn't going after you in any way. Promise.

Joe

Microsoft had to dump a load of features? tell me more :P

People should forget about Vista. It plain sucks. They should switch to Linux or just hope that Micro$oft will get something right with Windows 7. Granted, the latter option is a longhsot, but that's a whole lot better than downgrading to Vista.

Windows Seven is a Microsoft martketing strategy, here is how:

1. They know that Vista suxs and you and me know it too, so they spill the beans about the next revolutionary Windows OS, Windows 7, this way they are telling people, we are working on it to solve all your problems.

2. SP2? What? Microsoft is lost, stranded and they are A Ultra Fat Company that is almost impossible for them to move faster... If they have respect for the customers, they must shut down the actual Windows development and please start from the ground up... Something simpler, something that works.

3. This is the second time that Microsoft shipped a product that even their families don't want to use... The first one was Windows Me, they must identified the people involved in the production of Windows Me and Vista and fire them inmediately... A company the size of Microsoft shouldn't be this bad when it comes to make OSes.

Annoying as it is, Microsoft is somewhat forced to hype se7en since OS X is so much better and Vista is such a gas bag. When an incomplete system like Ubuntu looks so attractive, resort to FUD to kill that momentum.

For enthusiasts, if you really care, stop giving Microsoft feedback unless you want se7en to contain is more snotnosed inspired 'innovations'.

HI JOE, ALL WINDOWS VISTA 64BIT IE 7 DOES NOT WORK WITH ADOBE FLASH 9!!!!!
I HAVE POSTED COMPLANT WITH TECHNET. NO HELP!!
ADOBE SAYS THEY AR WORKING ON IT
WHAT DO YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS??????

Joe,

Hey, thanks for everything Joe. And I want to apologize about assuming I was blocked. It ended up being my own fault. If I would have refreshed the page, I would have known better.

I understand what you mean about the banter perhaps being amusing to some. But I have to say I was pleasantly surprised (refreshed?) to read a well written on topic post by I-man just above. (Good job I-Man).

I enjoy your Microsoft Watch posts and also enjoy reading the comments. Personally I believe Microsoft has a lot of life in it and will continue to dominate the desktop and office suite software business for years to come. That is not even because I believe they always have the best stuff. I just believe that they are so entrenched in our computer lives that it will take many years to wrench that control away from them. And along the way they will make good decisions and good products, as I believe Office 2007 is. I also find reading anti-Microsoft comments interesting reading also. I am sure you will agree however, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

In the mean time, I am enjoying my online experience on my desktop via Vista, on my laptop via XP and dabbling with Linux with a Ubuntu live DVD. I just would have a hard time living without Adobe Photoshop, MS Office, MS Money and Turbo Tax, so for now Linux remains only for dabbling.

Again, sorry for my wrong assumption and keep up the good work Joe!

Tom Berber

Quoting Joe;

"The fanastic devotee if a real devotee needs to look at how he or she can make things better. Wildly speculating on a future product doesn't make sense when there is so much bad buzz about the newest product. The enthusiast should help people understand the benefits of Vista."
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First of all, a "fanastic devotee or a real devotee" is just another name for a "fanboy," of Microsoft. Most of us want real news, facts, and logical speculation, not fanboism.

As far as the "benefits of Vista," its like an astroid, barren of life. Move to Linux or Mac, that is where the benefits to upgrading are, or stick with XP if you must, Vista is not worth it.

Buy a clue. "fanastic" is not a word used by the literate.

After all Joe, if its ok for MS to release bogus details, like the MinWin kernel (vaporware) for Windows Seven, why should we not speculate on it?

M$ uses vaporware, and promises of what might be in the next OS, to keep people from switching to alternative Operating Systems. The truth is, Windows Seven will be Vi$ta $p2, with some "windows dressing." This time, you will basically with Windows Seven, be paying for an Service Pack.

Tom Berber Says :
I want to apologize about assuming...
...
Personally I believe Microsoft has a lot of life in it and will continue to dominate the desktop and office suite software business for years to come.
...
Linux remains only for dabbling.

@Tom Berber :
Schools will increase spending on open source
"...schools have opted for open-source for "philosophical" reasons, such as a desire not to give their money to a commercial software company. However, most decisions to use open-source were strategic,..."

@ Tom Berber :
Somebody didn't get the memo?

PS. ...even a broken clock is right twice a day. What's your excuse?

How about the O.S. was pretty mature by XP? That Windows Vista is just a dressed up O.S. with some neat little features, perhaps a little easier to navigate.

But I am sure there are not many people upgrading their O.S. from XP to Vista, and they really probably shouldn't. It's just that Vista is the new and latest O.S. that is being shipped on most desktops and laptops. I haven't heard much complaint about Vista on new machines.

My point is that now and for years to come, the vast majority of P.C.'s are going to come pre-installed with Windows. And although the O.S. is mature, Microsoft is going to do like any business would to keep interest in their product: shine it, spruce it, make it look different, add "features" and market it.

And if you happen to have a relatively new machine that had XP on it and you really like the look and feel of Vista, $145 for an upgrade isn't highway robbery. How much is a copy of M.S. Office? Even the home student version is $145. Corel Office standard is $160. How much is Adobe Acrobat? Photoshop? Hey, Windows 1.0 was $99 and I guarantee Vista Home Stripped Upgrade ($99.95) is superior O.S.

Don't even bother with Linux for now. Where are the apps everyone needs/wants/uses? Yeah, I want to use GIMP. I wouldn't rule out a Mac for myself, but Linux, no. Linux is for servers and for cheap used computers to get on the internet and to send and receive email.

@Joe :
Do i have to wait til 2009 to be able to do this with any Microsoft OS?
Boot and run Linux from a USB flash memory stick
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@Tom Berber :
Carry a portable Linux version with you on a USB flash pen drive. Bring your portable desktop with you wherever you go.

FYI: This is what I'm using now to type this post...

PS. And I don't need an AntiVirus program on my portable desktop.

@n0neXn0ne

First, in my comment post, I was only addressing Joe, except for a comment to I-Man. So my "assuming" comments have no place in your post.

Second, you really took what I said completely out of context. When I stated that Linux was for dabbling, I was speaking of my own personal P.C. usage. My complete paragraph was:

"In the mean time, I am enjoying my online experience on my desktop via Vista, on my laptop via XP and dabbling with Linux with a Ubuntu live DVD. I just would have a hard time living without Adobe Photoshop, MS Office, MS Money and Turbo Tax, so for now Linux remains only for dabbling."

P.S. Your P.S. right back atcha!

Tom Berber Says :
Don't even bother with Linux for now. Where are the apps everyone needs/wants/uses?

@Tom Berber :
The only "apps everyone needs/wants/uses?"
Are AntiVirus apps. Not needed on Linux.

FYI: You can run Windows in a VM very well on *nix

If you prefer Linux. It's a free country. Use it. and it's a free download.

If you like GIMP, enjoy.

The rest of us will use Photoshop, M.S. Office, proprietary business apps, Turbo Tax. I could go on, but the list is virtually endless.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/windows_7_early.html

A Windows 7 Early Arrival May Mean Vista's Early Demise

Quotes: "several sources indicate Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) has already shipped an early milestone release of Windows 7 to partners and testers.

To some extent, Microsoft's silence is to be expected. Vista has only been out of the gate for a year, and Server 2008 has yet to drop. Why get customers all riled up about a new OS so far away, especially since Microsoft has such a bad track record at forecasting ship dates? Yet if Windows 7 is truly several years away, it would seem to be in Microsoft's interests to say so. Customers might be more willing to make the switch from XP to Vista if they know that Windows 7 won't ship for four or five more years.

Yet the rumors about Windows 7's delivery are pointing in the opposite direction -- it's supposed to be arriving as early as the second half of 2009. Given Microsoft's track record with delivery dates, a lot of you probably just laughed so hard that coffee came out of your nose; I'm sorry. Even if Microsoft is simply aiming for that date but misses it by a year, its silence makes a lot more sense. If Vista's successor is just around the corner, more companies will stay with XP; that hurts Microsoft in the near term."
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Actually if Windows Seven comes out early, it may help M$ stop some businesses making the switch to alternative Operating Systems. Microsoft really dosen't care if it hurts boxed Vista sales, as they are already as poor as they get. Windows Seven will not hurt Vista sales at all, as Vi$ta comes preinstalled on new computers by OEM's, almost no way for the average Best Buy user to get around that.

How to install Photoshop on Ubuntu

B4 you say you don't want to run wine, I would say wine is all you would need. With windows you will need Photoshop and AntiVirus software.

Linux + wine + photoshop
Windows + AntiVirus + photoshop

End results = Same differences

correction :
Same difference

FYI: Watching the SC primary
PS: Have a good day

layta...

I think MS has finally reached the stage where it can impose a 2 to 2 and a 1/2 upgrade cycles on Windows users. This is after all what Steve Ballmer said when he said that Microsoft would never again wait so long on its releases of Windows and Office, and that expect new releases every 2 to 2.5 years.

And why not expect this, its the way that M$ can extract the maximum amount of money and sell basically the same software over and over. Most users know that a Windows upgrade cycle can be very expensive, especially when it breaks lot of 3rd party software. Windows Seven will not be any different in this respect. Look for lots of builtin lockin and DRM in all new releases.

All your bucks belong to us!

All I can say for wine is...acccch! Wine is best best with cheese! Oh, and GO OBAMA!

All I can say for wine is...acccch! Wine is best best with cheese! Oh, and GO OBAMA!

Tom Berber Says :
"...list is virtually endless."

@Tom Berber Says :
The rest of us run them "virtually"...

correction :
@Tom Berber :
The rest of us run them "virtually"...

Tom Berber Says :
"GO OBAMA!"

@Tom Berber :
I take back the earlier "PS"
It looks like your clock is working very well, ;-)

layta..

All I can say for wine is...acccch! Wine is best best with cheese! Oh, and GO OBAMA!

Sorry about those multiple posts. I was sending from my phone and they just kept multiplying! I hope this one doesn't!

"Actually if Windows Seven comes out early, it may help M$ stop some businesses making the switch to alternative Operating Systems. Microsoft really dosen't care if it hurts boxed Vista sales, as they are already as poor as they get. Windows Seven will not hurt Vista sales at all,"

Truth.
The other issue is about "Software Assurance or Upgrade Advantage schemes" (under the Software Assurance scheme firms pay an annual subscription to receive upgrades automatically. Non-subscribers must pay for full licences for upgrades.)

Let's see if Ms will get delude to the businesses ("siren song"?).
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205604334

Linux PC Models Multiply As Vista Struggles

In 2007, only about 39% of new computers shipped with Vista on board, compared with the 67% of the new computer market captured by Windows XP in its first full year of availability in 2002, based on data from Microsoft and Gartner.

In spurning Vista, some PC buyers have cited concerns about its cost, resource requirements, and incompatibility with their existing applications. Indeed, the Home Premium version of Vista, not including a computer, costs more than Everex's gPC. It also requires 15 Gbytes of disk space and a hefty processor.

It's not just consumers that are seeking alternatives to Windows. Last week, the British Educational Communications and Technology Agency advised schools in the United Kingdom not to upgrade their PCs to Vista, suggesting they instead eye lower-cost Linux systems the next time they need new computers.

With a host of new Linux PCs hitting the market this year, U.K. schools -- and other buyers seeking computing alternatives -- will have more options than ever should they decide to steer away from Microsoft.

"fanastic devotee or a real devotee" is just another name for a "fanboy," of Microsoft.

Real Ms'devotee??! ....The answer:
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Leipzig, Germany have found a genetic factor that affects our ability to learn from our errors. The scientists demonstrated that men carrying the A1 mutation, which reduces the amount of dopamine D2 receptors in the brain, are less successful at learning to avoid mistakes than men who do not carry this genetic mutation. This finding has the potential to improve our understanding of the causes of addictive and compulsive behaviors.
http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-people-never-learn.html

Yes, they are .... something...not very healthy (to genetic level)

So, will Dimdows 7 be built on top of Vista, or will they be going back to starting again from XP?
I don't know which is worse...

Just 41 days till March 7th,
that is the day that VCSY and Microsoft go in front of the judge with the mediator. Will Microsoft finally do something about their technology gap on that day or will they just keep blowing smoke up everybodies pooper?

Microsoft please settle with VLSY, give them a few bucks. I can't stand I-Man anymore. Please do us all a favor and settle the damn thing, so we can get rid of him. Thanks Microsoft.

Will Windows Seven finially fix the Windows Malware problems, or just more of the same?

Most malware now from legitimate sites

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsID=11241&pagtype=all

Quotes;

"The trend is accelerating, said Hubbard, who noted that the last report estimated that the share of malicious sites that were actually hacked legitimate domains was in the mid-30 percent range. In fact, a pair of recent mass hacks - one that compromised upward of 90,000 sites and another at least 10,000 - demonstrated the extent of the problem.

Then in August 2007, the Bank of India, one of that country's largest banks, was also found hosting attack code after being hacked. Later, criminals associated with the notorious Russian Business Network, a St. Petersburg-based malware and hacking hosting network, were implicated in the Bank of India compromis

A year ago, for example, the websites of Dolphin Stadium and the Miami Dolphins NFL team, host to Super Bowl XLI, were hacked so that they served visitors with malicious JavaScript that, in turn, tried to load a Trojan onto unpatched PCs.

A significant number of the sites, however, are compromised by the multi-exploit tool kits made infamous by Mpack and Neosploit. Websense estimates that 19 percent, or about one in five, of malicious sites were created or compromised using such tool kits."
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Microsoft should have done so much more to fix the dreadfull problems that its insecure operating systems, including Vi$ta, have imposed on users. When you think Malware, think Windows.

Will Businesses Skip Windows Vista Altogether?

"With Microsoft planning to release the next version of Windows, code-named Windows 7, in late 2009 or 2010, there remains a strong possibility that businesses might skip over Vista altogether."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139663-page,1/article.html

More Quotes:

"Users complain that Vista doesn't run well with older hardware -- either on PCs or with connected devices like printers that are a year or two old. Even on PCs that are supposedly meant to be optimized for Vista, there are still odd performance and compatibility issues with certain devices, applications and OS features that make using it a less than optimal experience.

For this reason, one East Coast IT consultant who specializes in Microsoft products said that unless Windows Vista SP1 really smooths over the problems people are having with Vista, "there's a good chance many people will hold on to XP until the next version of Windows.

Windows XP Service Pack 2, a major security release for XP, was less a service pack than an upgrade to Windows. Businesses running this version of Windows may choose to bypass Vista and opt to install Windows 7 instead if it is released in the next few years, depending on where they are in their hardware upgrade cycle. The release of a third service pack for XP, which Microsoft has confirmed is in the works, supports this theory, since it adds "a couple more years" to the viability of XP in the enterprise."
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The best advice is to move to Open Source operating systems and Office products, and escape the expensive windows and office upgrade cycles, Malware, and bugs. distrowatch.com it will set you free.

Joe says-- The leaked photos have an unreal quality about them. Either they're fake, or the M1 build isn't visibly radically different from Vista.

Maybe Seven is just Vista SP2, and you got to pay for the same product with a service pack, with a little bit of windows dressing to make it look different? Isn't Seven supposed to be the two year release, the minor release? Which will mean its basically the same as Vista, much like XP was 2000.

evan, it's much bigger than Microsoft wants anyone to know!

Look how VCSY's lawyers are hunting down some dogs.

And if you think Niro is a pushover..
... you're sadly mistaken. Niro sounds like he knows how to think outside the box to put targets in a box.

(url-deleted)
Partner Offers $10K Bounty for Blogger?s Identity
Posted Jan 22, 2008, 05:28 pm CST
By Martha Neil

A Chicago lawyer who is being criticized, along with his law firm, in an anonymous Internet blog supposedly authored by a fellow attorney has offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who can provide him with the identity of "Troll Tracker."

The anonymous blogger, who claims to be "just a lawyer; interested in patent cases but not interested in publicity," has criticized Raymond Niro and his 30-lawyer IP boutique, Niro Scavone Haller & Niro, for representing clients who own patents but don't necessarily make products. Instead, the firm earns licensing fees from users of the patented technology?and potentially sues users if they don't pay up, explains the Chicago Tribune.

Although Troll Tracker claims a First Amendment right to criticize the firm anonymously on the blog, Niro says the blogger should take responsibility for his or her views. Plus, he points out, knowing the identity and affiliations of the blogger likely would affect the way that readers perceive the Troll Tracker's critique.

"I want to find out who this person is," says Niro, who initially offered a $5,000 reward in last month's issue of the IP Law & Business trade magazine, and has since upped the ante to $10,000. "Is he an employee with Intel or Microsoft? Does he have a connection with serial infringers? I think that would color what he has to say."

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"Although Troll Tracker claims a First Amendment right to criticize the firm anonymously on the blog, Niro says the blogger should take responsibility for his or her views. Plus, he points out, knowing the identity and affiliations of the blogger likely would affect the way that readers perceive the Troll Tracker's critique."

Here's the Troll Tracker website so you can get a balanced view:
http://www.abajournal.com/blawgs/patent_troll_tracker/

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You might as well know "Niro" is Raymond Niro of Niro, Scavone, Haller and Niro... the lawfirm handling the VCSY v MSFT patent infringement case.

I dare say the more cautious and civilized tones (I'm shocked I've gotten the last word on hawcreek so easily this morning) from those who have been trashing VCSY's reputation have come as a very recent, very interesting and refreshing change.

As hawcreek finally discovered after being confronted with the facts, VCSY has products derived from the 6826744 patent. Our local buddy hawcreek made many many posts claiming VCSY had NO products and was thus a hopelessly doomed patent troll. hawcreek made these claims without bothering to look into the information VCSY longs offered him indicating VCSY not only had products based on patent 744, but, the products were well received.

So, like I said, I would be very concerned if I were a poster who was in the practice of slinging libelous proclamations against VCSY's efforts.

Notice what Niro says: "Is he an employee with Intel or Microsoft? Does he have a connection with serial infringers? I think that would color what he has to say."

IS he with Microsoft? IS he with Microsoft?

Are posters here affiliated with Microsoft and/or Intel? I get the feeling things are going to proceed in a direction designed to find out precisely who these posters who've so carefreely trashed VCSY's reputation and efforts.

This should get very entertaining... shouldn't it "vcsy_stock_scam"?

Are posters here affiliated with Microsoft and/or Intel?
Of course not. A few, perhaps. But certainly not all. What could be the point of the question?
I get the feeling things are going to proceed in a direction designed to find out precisely who these posters who've so carefreely trashed VCSY's reputation and efforts.
Your statement is a thinly veiled threat. Your grammar is repulsively poor. Your spelling is atrocious. Your message is combative and tediously repetitive.
VCSY's patents appear to be overly broad, making claims against practically any networked software ever written. But stranger things have happened, and they could prevail in court. Few judges understand software, while few programmers understand law. Patents are a question of law and not of software. And so programmers cannot hope to avoid infringing on overly broad patents. They can only hope to work for companies with large patent portfolios in which two such companies are at patent peace because they avoid Mutually Assured Destruction.
Microsoft once avoided software patents, knowing that innovation and market domination did not require them at all. Not in the tiniest bit. But Bill Gates recognized that patents could be used as a weapon by established companies who couldn't otherwise compete against Microsoft, and thus Microsoft built up its own huge patent portfolio as a defensive survival mechanism.
So why isn't Microsoft turning the tables and using its own patent portfolio against the VCSY patents? Some guesses, which may be right or wrong:

VCSY has no real products of its own whose withdrawl from the market would cause it any harm. And so it is immune to counter-threats from Microsoft's huge patent portfolio.
Microsoft is cleverly planning to throw this battle and lose to VCSY, paying out the penalities to VCSY that will amount to nothing more than chump change to Microsoft. In this way, Microsoft can strengthen the farcical software patent system and increase its power as a weapon against open-source software.

Just a couple of wild guesses.

Brian,

Wow. Awesome post. But as others have warned me, I-Man will go on an on and on with this VCSY hype scam. You will find it is a waste of your time to go up against him, as he will ignore any statement of truth you make.

I want to say 39 days. 39 days until I-Man shuts up. God help us if this thing gets delayed. Or I-Man changes his screen name and starts hyping another stock.

Joe has kindly asked I-Man to stop posting only his VCSY stock hype scam and to post more on-topic, but he won't. And I am afraid Joe will not actually do anything about it.

So, I guess I will just have to continue my recommendation to sell VCSY stock. I will do so continually and incessantly, just as I-Man continues his VCSY stock hype scam where it does not belong.

Are you reading this Joe? Are you going to continue to allow Microsoft Watch to be a forum for I-Man's VCSY hype posting?

"Are posters here affiliated with Microsoft and/or Intel?
Of course not. A few, perhaps. But certainly not all. What could be the point of the question? "

Of course not? OK, maybe a few? Who cares, anyway?

I've never seen a crawfish move faster.

"Too broad"? That's interesting. I would think Microsoft would have taken that fight to court three years ago if that were the case. The 744 patent is not too broad. It's a novel patent combining past elements of software construction into a completely new way... that's what "innovation" is supposed to be, right? Isn't that what companies are supposed to be rewarded for?...rather than for being robbed? And "Brian" hasn't a clue what products VCSY has, does he?

A "thinly veiled threat"? Oh really? I didn't know there was a veil over it. Maybe the coming wind will blow it off. Any action against those supported by a company who are working to destroy the public conversation about a publicly traded company is something any interested shareholder should be engaged by.

Your other comments are pointless as insult and ridicule against an individual coming from someone supported by a large company are why posting and blogging has become a big business and companies find it easier to remain anonymous and spew venom than to try to compete on the field of ideas.

And now we have someone saying how clever Microsoft will be to throw the fight and lose to VCSY. LOL

Here's a wild guess. Brian is a company balloon floated out to give the rest of the lackees some direction on posting. THIS website: site.siteflash.com.br shows what's going to happen and the open-source movement is going to come under control of IBM's open-commerce community.

It's got nothing to do with Microsoft's "strategy" which has dragged it to the brink of irrelevance in the web world.

I just have to say this Tom Berber, yes you are right that a lot of Iman's posts come real close to spam, but, as much as you attack him, so don't yours. And I think you mostly have that already figured out. So my question to you Tom is, if VCSY stock is only about a penny and a half, could M$ not just spend $100 to $1000 and get control of VCSY and stop all the spamming???

On occasion, Iman has had some words of wisdom too, in his defense, but even I agree, it would be nicer to keep some of the VCSY spam down.

Since we are talking about Windows Seven in this post, does anyone think M$ can make a good OS again, and one from scatch? Here is proof that maybe they can;

http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity/

@chips

I really don't care anything about VCSY. They are nothing.

Yes, I-Man's posts are in fact spam and part of his hype and dump stock scam. He is all over yahoo finance in the Microsoft forum there. But this is definitely not the place for it and it needs to stop.

So, Joe Wilcox, how many of I-Man's posts, since you asked him cut down on the VCSY hyping, have not been VCSY hyping?

How about none.

Regarding Windows next OS release. Yeah, how about the minor release in two years. Yeah right. We know that's not going to happen. Do you really think MS can pull of a Windows 7 within a year (2009)? We will be lucky to get an SP2 for Vista by 2009.

Even though Vista sales may not be up to what MS wants or expects, they are probably stuck with it for awhile.

How about this: Could MS put Vista on a diet, make it run faster, make it work with more hardware (ooops, that would be XP). Just call it Windows 6.1 or Hasta La Vista?

I disagree entirely. Bring on the Windows 7 talk. Here's why. As Chips has said in other postings, Vista is a train wreck. Since Windows 95, Microsoft has been on the track building bigger and bigger operating systems with more and more bundled "lock in" ware. Microsoft attempted to patch fundamental security flaws in Windows with layers and layers of band aids. It didn't work. Vista is the end of that line - an engineering and marketing failure.

For all of the reasons you point out in your excellent post, http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/microsofts_big_problem_in_a_small_box.html, that strategy was wrong. Most businesses will never adopt Vista. In my day job, I am a Systems Engineer at a Fortune 100 company. The company conducted a pilot project to evaluate alternative desktops. They evaluated two "flavors" of Linux and Mac. The decision? Wait two years (on XP) and evaluate the alternatives again. It's pretty clear; we will not be going to Vista. I suspect many other companies have made similar decisions.

Windows 7 is important because it is the start of a new line. The MinWin kernel should offer fundamental security, reliability, and stability. All of the kernel code will be controlled by Microsoft. Third-party drivers will not run in kernel mode. BSODs should become a thing of the past.

The 2009 date is vitally important to the future of Microsoft. Note that my company and many others will be ready for a refresh cycle and will be looking at alternatives around that time. If they've decided not to implement Vista, a promised Windows 7, even if it is "vaporware" for 2009, may be enough to stop companies from switching to an alternative desktop.

Vista is a train wreck. "Move along. Nothing to see here." Instead, look over here, a shiny, new Windows redesigned from the kernel up. There's really nothing to say about Vista. It's a failure. Neither SP1 or SP2 will fix it. The best thing Microsoft can do is to move on as rapidly as possible to Windows 7. Let Vista die. Bring on the Windows 7 talk!

But look how long it took MS to even get Vista out. I have such a hard time believing they can get out this shiny new Windows 7 by 2009.

Someone wrote on a previous post that his company still uses Windows 2000. Why not? Isn't Windows 2000 Windows NT 5.0 and XP is Windows NT 5.1? Windows 2000 (with SP4) can run pretty close to all the software XP can. A big exception is some of Microsoft's own software! So there is not a lot of difference between Win2000 and WinXP other than the cartoon GUI of XP.

So along comes Vista with its beautiful cool aero glass GUI. Man, I bet the software runs better on that! It has to, it is a new and improved OS. Well, if it DOESN'T run better or faster, at least your software will look good with those glass borders. Assuming your software runs on Vista.

I don't see how Vista benefits many business that are running fine on WinXP or Win2000.

I did get Windows Vista Ultimate (OEM) for my self-built desktop. I have had no problems. Everything has worked fine. I have had no hardware, driver or software issues, other than some older software titles shutting down aero glass when I run them. But then, XP worked fine too. The search in the start menu & control panel work well and save time in Vista. The aero glass really is pretty in Vista, and no aero glass add-on for XP is as fluid or stable. But that is about it. After 2 years with Vista, one as a beta and one as RTM, that is all I can say for it. And I am someone who has had a good experience.

MS does need to strip Windows down. Dump the bloat. Time normally spent on bundled software could be used to make the OS work with more stuff.

Hopefully MS can do something right with Windows 7. But even if they do, seriously, when do you really think they will have it on store shelves? It took over 5 years after XP to get Vista on store shelves.

Karl,
Thanks for the mention. Vista is a train wreck, but only from the prospective that it is losing M$ desktop market share, and causing so much pain with those who buy a new computer with it on.

Seven, will not be a "new Windows redesigned from the kernel up." Every version of windows has been advertised as being "redesigned from the ground up," but the truth is you get just more patched up old code from some of the older Windows, and some UI changes and different wallpaper. Seven (Vienna) dispite it name, will not really be 7.0, but rather 6.1, the minor update. The best you can hope for is some services will not automatically run, and perhaps aero to be improved.

MinWin kernel, is most likely just more Vaporware. They know users want it, so they promise it, and guess what you going get when Seven comes out? How about Vista SP2 intregated with new wallpaper, and renamed "Windows Seven." This time you get to pay for a Service Pack.

Karl, I would suggust, that the company you work for should continue to test various Linux distro's, and think out of the box, as they do not have to decide to just run one of the other. Its easy to dual boot linux and XP as an example.

Chips suggusts that your company consider some of the community GNU/Linux versions, such as Mepis 7.0, PCLinuxOS, Mint, and Sidux, mostly in that order. Get them at www.distrowatch.com

Did I mention they are free too? And that all the Linux distro's I mention will run from the live cd, which makes it easy to try and test to see if they support your hardware?

@I-Man:
"Too broad"? That's interesting. I would think Microsoft would have taken that fight to court three years ago if that were the case. The 744 patent is not too broad.
To my experienced programmer's viewpoint, the patent is very broad. But I don't have a law degree, and I don't believe that programming requires a law degree. At least not yet. Maybe soon.
And "Brian" hasn't a clue what products VCSY has, does he?
You're right, I don't. I've Googled the web for Emily XML Scripting Language and all I find are the same VCSY links that describe their "products" in high-level marketing terms but not in detail. I've Googled the newsgroups for the same words, and all I get are references (as far back as 2000) to pump-and-dump stock scams. Do you, I-Man, have any links to information and demo packages that a developer could use to explore VCSY's wonderful products? A link to API references and demo and/or evaluation packages would really help.
A "thinly veiled threat"? Oh really? I didn't know there was a veil over it. Maybe the coming wind will blow it off.
Your statement that I get the feeling things are going to proceed in a direction designed to find out precisely who these posters who've so carefreely trashed VCSY's reputation and efforts. implies that there will be a punishment for these posters but does not actually come out and say it. THAT is a threat that is veiled.
And now we have someone saying how clever Microsoft will be to throw the fight and lose to VCSY. LOL
LOL all you want. I think it's funny too. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. You appear to be bouncing between the laughing and fighting stages. Microsoft is in the fighting stage vrs. Linux. You are in the laughing and fighting stages vrs. anyone who disagrees with you about VCSY. But don't worry... I've marked your predictions on my Kcalendar application. I've even enabled pop-up reminders so I will be sure to know when to pay attention to the news.
Here's a wild guess. Brian is a company balloon floated out to give the rest of the lackees some direction on posting.
Wrong. I put forth my own thoughts only. And on my own time. But you were right about it being a wild guess!
By the way, the word is "lackeys", not "lackees". Don't you have even the faintest clue about how to use a spell checker? They aren't perfect, but they would improve your posts greatly.
And you should also buy a dictionary. The word "lackey" does not describe (the few, in my case) people who happen to agree with a point or two that I've raised. In case you're interested in any semblance of accuracy and credibility.

Gee, "brian", I thought we might be able to have a nice chat about how Microsoft appears to be sliding into the web-platform world with Write in some way melding with Wordpress... but you apparently aren't the type for nice.

I think your experienced programmer's view will recognize VCSY has the novelty bases covered on this new web-platform method. Ajax wanted to get there but has failed to achieve what 7076521 accomplised years ago. Atlas wanted to get there but has failed to achieve what 6826744 accomplished many years ago.

Just because you see it today and slap your head and say "I could have thought of that" doesn't mean what you see is "obvious". If it were obvious, it would have been brought forth a long time ago. If it were so broad, there would be a number of outfits attempting to head off what's coming. They didn't because they know they shot themselves in the foot by building "work-arounds" like Atlas and Ajax that have built themselves a tidy little business footing. Where is the "too broad" argument when you can build web-applications with those decidedly second-rate tools?

Sound like you have a bad attitude about progress.

You're what we VCSY shareholders have come to recognize as nasties... and lackees.
The term "lackey" is an archaic racial slur. "Lackee" more accurately describes a full-of-himself devotee who does the dirty work without a clue.

Punishment? More like grief from a company, a law firm and shareholders who have every accumulated right to return grief for grief. Turn the other cheek? I don't think so. More like burn the cheeks. Bend over.

Why are you googling the Emily Scripting Language? You should be looking at Siteflash. That's the patent Microsoft was sued for. I would expect to see Novell being hit with a suit for Mono as well before long.

Here's a place you can start looking" site.siteflash.com.br and explain why Microsoft's "Windows Live Write" is a headline there.

So you're a Linux devotee, I see. You have no idea what's about to happen to the open-source movement. IBM and Red Hat have you characters set up to either join the open-commerce community or die of irrelevance. I do hope your little technology effort has socked away something for a rainy day. That day is just ahead for folks like you.

I know you folks don't like patents. I've worked with plenty of people who think they can justify ripping off the work of others because they could have thought of the same thing if only they had ... what? More time? More money? More connections? More brains?

The inventors VCSY has are pioneers who did the work necessary to come up with the tools to actually build a new paradigm. Those who don't have those tools seem bent on taking them. They apparently depend on lackees... like you.

Tom Berber wrote: "But look how long it took Microsoft to even get Vista out. I have such a hard time believing they can get out this shiny new Windows 7 by 2009. "

IF Microsoft gains access to VCSY technology, one of the main advantages of the 744 and 521 patents is accelerated software construction - construction in a fraction of the time needed for traditional methods. Microsoft's recent claims of a "seamless" server-side/client-side Windows can be seen to be a web-operating system on the order of frameworks built by siteflash.

So, 2009? With as many people and as much money as they have? Sure. Why not. Certainly not with the typical IDE methods Microsoft has shown. But, when they can arbitrate with granular virtualization they will be able to join any parts and pieces in their arsenal into a single platform application.

Think it through... without the prejudice for a change, and I think it's easy to see what advantages patents 744 and 521 bring Microsoft. And what advantages Microsoft will have over open-source at that point. What a shame the open-source league is so anti-patent. I guess they've sworn to fight to the death. Not a problem.

I-Man wrote: "So, 2009? With as many people and as much money as they have? Sure. Why not. Certainly not with the typical IDE methods Microsoft has shown. But, when they can arbitrate with granular virtualization they will be able to join any parts and pieces in their arsenal into a single platform application."

I still say, don't hold your breath. MS can and will find a way to complicate the development of the next Windows release. Also, MS will continue to build on the current Windows core/kernel. If they go through with plans to develop WinMin, and then build on that, whew, let's see, maybe we'll see a new OS by 2012.

If MS wants to at least give the appearance of releasing new versions of Windows more often, I still don't see a Vista "SE" by 2009. I suppose they could toy around with Vista. Add, delete and/or change features and some GUI elements and basically call an SP2 a new release (many thought MS should have marketed XP SP2 as a new version of Windows). But that would not deserve a Windows 7 moniker. We'll see. And of course 2009, by MS standards would mean late November, or into December of 2009.

Tom, you seem to think Microsoft is locked in some sort of prison of the mind. The reason Joe's article about the Vista developers being shunned but Vista being nurtured is because the Vista developers are of an ancient era that should have died out six years ago. They live in a constrained world and can't build to scale. Oh, they try to build to scale, but all their efforts bog down at some point because the proprietary platform is too small and the "scale" must necessarily include other machines necessarily linked over internet... not just COM/DCOM intranet.

Vista is already set up with all the attributes needed to transform the assembly into a client-side affiliation with services. Take a stroll through the naming conventions and system stubs. All that Vista has may be virtualized very easily with 521 agents. The entire assembly can be wrapped together with Windows client and web services very easily. It's what they planned to do all the way up to November 2004 when Lucovsky announced he was taking XMLhttpRequest to Google, Ballmeer threw the chair and VCSY was granted 6826744.

They had to shut it down after that because they knew VCSY was going to spring a lawsuit on them. Just think how far Microsoft would be by now if Ballmer had simply dealt with VCSY in early 2006 instead of waiting for them to die... a very very long and fruitless and costly wait for Microsoft.

Now, IF they're smart enough to deal with 521 and 744, Microsoft can transform Vista into a "Windows 7" like wonder in only a few months. BUT, they will need a new class of developers since the traditional development community like our buddy Brian are necessarily left out of the mix since they would have so many bad habits and conceits to unlearn. The new developers are likely all those new green cards Bill wants to bring in; fresh unlearned minds that can be shown the wonders of the web-platform and global scale instead of that spagetti on a plate universe of COM and CORBA.

Wake up Tom. Your prejudice does not serve you well. Prejudice never serves well. It only serves to serve the lackee up for lunch.

Prejudice? Prejudice would mean to pre-judge, right? I say what I say about MS based on their history. They have been slow about shipping out products ever since XP was released.

You yourself said, "BUT, they will need a new class of developers since the traditional development community...are necessarily left out of the mix since they would have so many bad habits and conceits to unlearn."

Joe says, "The real work on Windows Seven isn't the shell but the kernel. It's my understanding that the primary Windows Seven development focus, at least for now, is the operating system's plumbing. That's absolutely the right priority, and it is a huge departure from Windows XP and Vista development."

Yes, we would hope the next version of Windows will be focused on the kernel. And there is going to be a huge change in the way it is developed.

But do you really think MS is going to get this all wrapped up and out the door by 2009?

Once MS can get those "new class of developers" with "fresh unlearned minds" and they nail down a new simplified, compartmentalized kernel, hey maybe we'll see MS move more quickly in product development.

Joe;

Do you notice that no matter what, I-Man will always bring up the merits of VCSY and its patents? Every post.

Joe, have you checked and seen that I-Man posts on yahoo finance all day also? Check it out. But at least it is a financial forum.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?bn=12004&tid=1336350&mid=1336406

If and when his posts here are on-topic, they still always invariably segue into VCSY stock hyping.

To Tom Berber,

MS could release a Windows Seven version in 2009. The reason I suggest this is from past releases. XP was released in only two years after Windows 2000, and XP was the minor release to Windows 2000. Seven , originally code named Vienna, was supposed to be the minor release to Vista as well. But when MS saw that Vista is as popular as Windows ME, they changed the name to Seven, which in numerical terms is 7.0, not 6.1, and this muddies the waters, to which it will be.

However, I would point out that renaming Vienna to Seven does not mean it will be anything other than 6,1. Even if MS choices the 7.0 numeric designation, it would still be a 6.1 release unless there are major changes, very unlikely.

Also, as has been pointed out, Seven will most likely be Vista with SP2 or SP3 integrated, and some new wallpaper. Lets see, how long to get Vista SP1 out, only a little over a year. And that is the more likely scenario here, that Windows users are now really going be paying for service packs dressed up as new releases.

Its as Steve Ballmer said, they would never wait so long between releases again, maybe only two to two and a half years now. There is a lot of money to be made by releasing new versions of windows that will break some apps, and therefore make users buy more software, like ms software. Not to mention, releasing new apps like MS Office with every new release of windows.

chips;

I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I had said myself that the best we could expect from MS for Windows 7 (if released by 2009) would really be Windows 6.1. But wouldn't giving it the moniker Windows 7.0 create greater expectations that MS can deliver in a patched up Vista? Perhaps they would give it another cute name, Vista SE, Hasta La Vista or Buena Vista. LOL!

Microsoft played that game in the Win9x days. They charged for new editions. Windows 98, Windows 98SE, Windows ME were all just updates to Windows 95. We got off cheap with XP SP2.

Could you imagine what people who purchased a copy of Windows ME have to say about THAT investment?

Oh, I forgot to mention. 2009? Maybe. Knowing MS, it will be RTM in 2009, like late November or December.

hey chips

I have only toyed with Linux through the years. I am just so entrenched in my Windows apps though. That is what is hard to give up. Some have mentioned wine, but I have read many Linux reviews in major magazines and they say wine is hit or miss and can be slow.

Recently I have tested Live CD's of Ubuntu, Fedora Core and Freespire. Surprisingly some of them worked quite well, especially for a live CD. Even more surprising, Fedora Core Live CD worked better than Ubuntu or Freespire.

The last time I actually did a full install of Linux was probably 3 and a half years ago. It was Fedora. It worked great. All my hardware, except printer, installed just great. And it only took 20 minutes to install. I installed Firebird and Thunderbird and some multimedia and DVD/CD burning software. It was more of an experiment and it was successful, but I missed my Windows apps, so I went back to XP.

My question to you is about new versions of Linux, such as Fedora Core, Ubuntu, Freespire, Mandriva, Suse with an older computer. I know, or can find, the minimum system requirements for the new versions of these distros, but do you have any experience running them on older computers. I have access to a Dell Dimension with a P4 2.2 GHZ, 512 mb RAM, and onboard video. I was thinking of using that computer as a dedicated machine with a Linux distro installed. I was just wondering if the performance would be decent.

Thanks

Tom,
It seems we agree on a lot of things. I too like you was a power windows user, and it was hard at first to give up some of my "entrenched Windows apps." It was not hard to give up the problems of the Windows operating systems though.

I started way back in the early days of DOS, all the way through XP. Only use XP for a very small limited amount of programs now, as dual boot and thru a VM, OpenBox being my favorite.

What got me to convert to GNU/Linux, was the securtiy and stablity. As much work as you can do to XP, its becoming increasing tuff to make it secure from the various forms of malware on the internet. And using Windows as a limited user is about one of the most painfull, and heavy learning experience, that almost nobody does it.

Once you figure out that one should use the proper tool for the right task, example, hammer to pound a nail, linux to surf the internet. Because with linux its possible to surf without fear. With windows, no matter how well patched, and protected with 3rd party apps, you might still make a trip to my place to have it cleaned.

So a dual boot system, with windows and linux makes sense for new users. Linux to surf, get email, Windows perhaps for a very few games that still may not work in Wine/Linux. Most of the windows apps will work in Wine/Linux, but why bother? Their are native open source apps in Linux, which works very well, and usually without the bugs, and free. Why surf the web, get and write email, when your OS is windows and can get infected with every new piece of malware, when you can do this in Linux? Dual booting gives you the best of best worlds, and a backup system when your windows crashes.

Red Hat and Mandriva (formerly Mandrake) I don't run or keep up with anymore. CentOS is a free version of Red Hat software, and is pretty good. PCLinuxOS, is based on Mandriva, and is currently the number one distro on www.distrowatch.com.

Chips preferrs distro's which are easiest for new windows converts to use. Suggestions are Mepis 7, PCLinuxOS, Mint (which is basically Ubuntu with all the bells and whistles installed), and Sidux maybe. These are my picks.

chips:

Thanks for the info. I did check the minimum specs requirement for Ubuntu as an example. Even the highest recommended specs for full desktop effects isn't too steep, so I should feel confident running it on my "old" computer. I have my partitions set up a specific way for my tastes, so I really want to do a long term test run on the "old" computer.

I am going to check into your recommendations. Mint sounds interesting, because I would like to try this out in a full-featured system, and the less I have to manually install, the better.

@I-Man:
I looked at site.siteflash.com.br but it's written in a language that I don't understand. I ask about one of VCSY's products and you tell me not to ask about it. I asked VCSY themselves and have received no replies at all. Why? I am not interested in siteflash; I am interested in learning more abut the Emily scripting language. Why is that so wrong in your eyes? Why doesn't VSCY respond? Why does a search on IBM's site not even mention it? Can you answer these questions?
I know I cannot judge a VCSY product until I actually see it, including reading APIs and working with it for some evaluation period. And Emily is in the area of my experience and interest, while siteflash is neither.
If you wish me to watch for your predictions of Microsoft's demise to come true, consider it done: It's even on my Korganizer calendar. If you wish me to not support Microsoft against VCSY, consider that done, too. If you wish me to support VCSY by using and recommending their products, then I need to see one up close, as a programmer. The ball is in VCSY's court on this one.
@Tom and chips:
*sigh* Here I go again. Sorry. I'll make this my last attempt to find any value in one of VCSY's products on this blog, and also my last reply to I-Man. I'll wait for a response from VCSY themselves. That is, assuming that they care to respond to an inquiry about their wonderful innovative XML scripting language. If I hear something from VCSY, I'll let you know.

do astond! but most of my customers just need Windows 95 and Office 95, not more! But Microsoft geeks introduce new tecnologies just for economics purpouses (make money).

@Brian

Hey. Thanks. I know it seems fruitless, as I-Man and VCSY are really just jokes. You use logic and fact, but you get none back from I-Man. You can post verified information from a major business news source, or from VCSY itself, and present it to I-Man and dare him to refute or explain it. He will just ignore it and bring up something else.

I like it when he says, "Scared yet Tom?" Huh? Scared? I said, "The only thing I am scared of is that others will see the spam you post on this site with no restriction and others will follow suit".

Even if VCSY was victorious, and took half of everything Microsoft owns, I still don't care. I want to hear on-topic, informative and interesting posts. I do not want to hear stock hyping spam. And I am afraid that once March 7 comes and goes and VCSY goes belly-up, he will be on to his next penny stock.

Again, thanks Brian.

@Tom,
You're welcome. And thanks to you and chips for the ideas, links, and information you've presented. It's been worth it to slog through the spam to read your posts.
This post and the one you commented on are my last two posts under the name of Brian to Microsoft Watch. More recently, another poster has been signing the same name of Brian, and so I must find another one. I'll be sure and let you know when I do.
@Joe:
It's too bad Microsoft Watch doesn't have a sign-up facility that password-protects names of posters. Joe, is there any chance that Microsoft Watch will follow a better model, or will this site continue to allow anyone to impersonate anyone else with impunity?

Well I am not a blogger, nor a OS guru. But I am here to say Window Seven will be here in 2 yrs. Like it or not. Microsoft will now be putting out a new OS every three years to deal with security issues. I think the real ? is... Is this for your protection or to protect there pockets. I realy think this new policy of MS sucks.

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"Buzz about the next Windows version distracts potential Vista adopters."

And it bloody well should do so! Microsoft went all bells and whistles with Vista, shipped out a resource-hungry OS that most people I know or hear about will NOT willingly switch to.

And you want us to stop us talking about it? So that uninformed "consumers" hear nothing and switch to Vista out of despair?

No mate, thanks.

I'm keeping my friends alert not to switch to Vista. Personally I'm thinking about buying my first Mac...

8/1/2008 1:51:37 PMDOW JONES NEWSWIRES Vertical Computer Systems Inc. (VCSY) settled the patent infringement claim that it initiated in federal court against Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), according to a document filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Under a confidential settlement agreement, the company said it granted Microsoft a non-exclusive, fully paid-up license under the patent which was the subject of the legal proceeding. No further details of the settlement was provided in the filing.

8/1/2008 1:51:37 PMDOW JONES NEWSWIRES Vertical Computer Systems Inc. (VCSY) settled the patent infringement claim that it initiated in federal court against Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), according to a document filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Under a confidential settlement agreement, the company said it granted Microsoft a non-exclusive, fully paid-up license under the patent which was the subject of the legal proceeding. No further details of the settlement was provided in the filing.

So an article about Windows 7 that asks people to shut up about Windows 7. Putting out a fire with gasoline?

Now that it's out, you can continue to hate on it, or try it. Hated Vista, and had almost lost faith in Microsoft, however, it's actually REALLY good.

I'm not a lemming here either. I run linux at home, and windows 2000 at work. My laptop has Vista on it. Just like the people who hate Vista without actually having used it, and cannot articulate why they don't like it, there will be haters right out of the box with this one too. At least give credit where it is due, and do yourself a favor and try the beta. It's free, it's stable, and it's fast.

Is it completely new and revolutionary? No. It does however improve performance across the board even on systems that struggled with Vista. Installed in 30 min finding ALL my hardware. Has not crashed once. Windows open within a blink of asking them to open. Apps load just as fast.

I like to trash talk MS as much as the next guy, but if you can't bother to give them props when they get something write, you're simply a whiner.

Windows 7 is stable & fast according to zdnet writers. zdnet also says Windows 7 has no new "must have" features. It is what Vista should have been.

Their speed tests include start up/shutdown and file copying rates. Windows 7 beats XP and Vista by a lot. Their stability measurements were simply opinion.

I for one am willing to try out Windows 7 beta. The download from Microsoft was fast.

If windows 7 is noticeably more stable & is faster as zdnet says , I will be a happy camper.