Micro$oft would not have even made those changes without pressure put on them. Even with UAC its not safe setup as default.

Well Joe,
UAC control may nag in Vista, but it does work to help a little bit. But even you got a virus on it, before you installed Seven Beta. When Joe Wilcox, the Royal Navy cannot protect Windows, what are we to expect from the average user?

And now it seems the French Military cannot protect Windows either.

How Conflicker Virus Felled the Military

http://www.intelligenceonline.com/Identification/p_identification.asp?rub=login〈=ANG&service=EVE&context=CAN&doc_i_id=55783856

"For the past two weeks, the French defence ministry’s networks have been infected by a computer virus that has brought down certain arms systems, like that of the French Navy’s Rafale fighter aircraft - The origin and exact characteristics of the virus aren’t known as yet, but the scope of the crisis, revealed by Intelligence Online, raises serious questions about the security of French military networks and their capacity to fight off computer attacks."
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First the British, and now the French. Yep its Windows malware.

But here in this article about UAC control that Joe Wilcox is writing about, Microsoft at first comes out and says "its not a bug, its a feature." They resisted doing anything about the UAC security until Mary Jo posted her article about "Windows Seven less secure than Vista."

This should show even the most pro windows user, that MS doesn't care about security.

Joe Willcox says:

"But where does that leave all us people running Windows 7 Beta 1? I've got it on three machines, and my wife is using one. Can I be sure she won't let someone into the bank, where they can open the safe with a yawn?"
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Windows is unsafe by default Joe. (use the force Luke) Use the mac Joe, err, I mean have the wife use the Mac, for now.

But Joe, you are correct that doing banking with an Windows computer is not so safe. Heck, even the Banks cannot secure Windows:

ANZ warns of malicious virus

http://business.smh.com.au/business/anz-warns-of-malicious-virus-20090205-7ylr.html

"A computer virus has affected the banking marketplace and affected some ANZ customers who have logged onto ANZ internet banking,'' a spokesperson from the bank said in a statement."
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Why a bank in its right mind would risk its money and that of its customers with Windows is scary.

Download try Linux today, escape the malware problems of windows, its free. www.distrowatch.com

Turkey, France, United Stated Under Attack by Microsoft Windows Insecurities

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/05/conficker-vs-military/

“France should move to GNU/Linux more rapidly in order to prevent a disastrous weaponry blunder…”

Article stated:

"Control panel items are signed with this certificate so they don't prompt UAC if you change any system settings. The Achilles' heel of this system is that changing UAC is also considered a 'change to Windows settings,' coupled with the new default UAC security level, would not prompt you if changed. Even to disable UAC entirely."
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I would like to see Mr. FreelaptopWithNoITExp explain that one away. I am sure this is part of the rich functionality that he so often writes about.
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How many years has MS had to get this right?

JM, you are the one with no IT experience, since client security would be governed by your MIS department, such as a combination of a hardware and software based Firewall, NAT, along with Group Policy settings applied, restrictions applied through Active Directory and Organizational Units. Along with security solutions such as Internet Acceleration Server, I am sure even with Windows 7 beta 1 security setting, users would still be safe.

There are significant layers of powerful security that is included with both Windows Server and Client. If you don't impliment them properly which true of other operating systems, you will make a stupid comment like the one you just made JM.

@Andre Da Costa:

Ah, but with Linux, its already secure out of the box. With Windows, it comes setup by default as Administrator. That is why at least 80% of home users have malware infected computers.

Care to comment yet at to all your FREE computer giving to you by Micro$oft? Maybe its time to come clean and explain why you defend M$ so much. Tell us about how you get paid to blog.

Hi Chips!
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Id also like to see Andre make a comment on the allegation Ridley made, which says that Andre Da Costa claims you need a compiler to play a music CD in Linux. Either Ridley is telling lies or Andre is certainly has no IT experience either.

More attacks from virus

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Tech%2Band%2BScience/Story/STIStory_335090.html

" This Trojan.Brisv.A virus, as it is called, searches out and infects multimedia files, such as MP3 music files or WMV video files.

When the infected files are played by the Windows Media Player program, the virus will direct the program to download more bad software from the Internet - all on the sly."
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Windows Media Play, another viral target. Windows, including Windows Seven Beta, unsecure by default.

Try free linux and put the majority of Windows malware problems behind you www.distrowatch.com

How tough can it be to secure an OS with 50 users that only runs 3 apps, and not very good ones at that?

You guys are getting incredibly boring with the free computer comments. I'd have thought you would have tired of that subject months ago - I know I did.

And the other thing is, to those of you who are Microsoft-hating linux users, why do you bother to read a column called "Microsoft Watch?" Have you considered getting a hobby?

Quote "How tough can it be to secure an OS with 50 users that only runs 3 apps, and not very good ones at that?"
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Yep all 50 of us. It doesnt need arguing with, if your going to be silly like that, then theres little point in discussing market penetration of platforms.
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So why waste your time posting (and dont presume the Linux population is only male).
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Im sure there are others that would like Windows security issues forgotten about, but (IMO) since they exist and should be a consideration of any would be investor in Microsoft products, I think it relevant for them to be discussed and highlighted here.
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I wont ask you to clarify who you consider as a MS hater, probably because you wont, but in answer to the second part, I certainly read Microsoft watch because im interested in all aspects of IT. I like to have debate with those with honest held belief, and I challenge comments such as "needing a compiler to play a music CD in Linux" so that the people who may have been misled by comments such as that can be aware that what is printed about Windows/Linux and what end-users experience are sometimes two completely different things. Its my opinion.
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Have I considered getting a hobby? Well I personally have a few, unfortunately its the people who post using underhanded techniques, fud and dishonesty that keep me here.
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What I cant understand is if you find it so dull, why not just skip our posts? You dont have to read them, let alone respond to us.

DaveN:
I find it odd that you are more concerned with being bored, than you would be concerned that Microsoft is giving away free computers to people like Andre Da Costa as a reward for all his blogging here and other places, defending MS and attacking Linux and Mac. Doesn't it concern you that M$ is using these unethical and perhaps even illegal tactics?

As far as being Linux zealots or MS Haters, since when is it hated to HATE malware? Where have I posted anything untrue in this article???

Web Security: 70 Percent of Top Sites Distribute or Link to Malware

http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/web-security-70-percent-of-top-sites-distribute-or-link-to-malware-003806.php

"Fasten your common sense seatbelt and bolt on your FUD helmet. According to a report just released by Websense, a web, data and email security firm based in San Diego, CA, in the second half of 2008 70 of the top 100 websites either hosted malware or linked to sites hosting malware. To set some context, these numbers represent a 16% increase over the previous six-month period."
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But don't worry, unless you are using something unsecure. Windows, unsecure by default.

Over 90% Emails Are Spam & Malware

http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Over_90_Emails_Are_Spam_Malware/551-98377-643.html

Hey Chips b malroy.. Why don't you and Goblin explain why you were both caught at the Gay bar holding hands sharing your shirley temple with two straws. Please explain....

And we are getting sick of your same ole comments of "where did you get that hardware" crap.

Stick to your alternative lifestyle and save us the same ole lame lines you keep throwing out.

ROFL.

You guys keep posting these links to security threats like Malware is new.

Oh god another one.... SWITCH TO TEH LINUX QUICK.

The day that some malware takes down MS is the day I star using my Mac full time. No way in hell I'm going to subject myself to the unsupported crapware that is Linux.

So Andre,
all your sock puppets will not help you defend the horrible default (lack of) security is Windows. You can attack the messengers, but you cannot attack the message.

Why not ask you employers to fix the default security in Windows? That is what I and others are trying to do here, asking Microsoft to fix it. Windows users are consumers that deserve better too. As a consumer advocate first, and linux user second, and an occasional XP user third, please Microsoft fix your default security/malware issues.

Andre, why not come clean, and tell everyone about the free/reviews computer$ from Microsoft and Hp that you got????

Do I need to keep postings the links again to jog your memory? I would be happy to do so if that will help. Maybe you care to comment on John Obeto's free laptop from Microsoft from PDC2008, since you blog on his site as a writer?

Quote from Mr. FreeLaptopWithNoRealITExp
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"client security would be governed by your MIS department"
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True, but a cliche. Spoken like someone with no real world IT experience.
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"Along with security solutions such as Internet Acceleration Server,"
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Is that a sales plug?
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"I am sure even with Windows 7 beta 1 security setting, users would still be safe"
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This is the mantra with every latest version of Windows, which sadly disappoints over time.
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Sorry Mr. FreeLaptopWithNoRealWorldITExp, you missed the target, again.

DaveN said
How tough can it be to secure an OS with 50 users that only runs 3 apps, and not very good ones at that?

You guys are getting incredibly boring with the free computer comments. I'd have thought you would have tired of that subject months ago - I know I did.

And the other thing is, to those of you who are Microsoft-hating linux users, why do you bother to read a column called "Microsoft Watch?" Have you considered getting a hobby?
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This is their hobby. Posting crap about Microsoft on an internet forum frequented by Linux users who don't need to be convinced that Windows sucks, and Windows adverts who don't give a damn what Linux users think. It's hilarious.

Hey Chips b malroy.. Why don't you and Goblin explain why you were both caught at the Gay bar holding hands sharing your shirley temple with two straws. Please explain....

Andre Da Costa:

Why not come clean and admit your guilt, just get it over with. Using sock puppets to untruthfully attack the personal honor of myself and Goblin, is not going to help you or Microsoft. If you have any aspirations of being a real blogger like Joe Wilcox, or being a MVP like your friend John Obeto, then you should know that Microsoft employees watch these comments, and will report back to Redmond.

Will Microsoft keep giving you more free computers, when they find out that you have nothing to argue about in their favor, and have become an embarrassment to Microsoft with your posts here. I think not.

@Jess Meats:
Jess, I would appreciate if you could take up the reporting of the nature of Andre Da Costa's shameful commenting on this site. It is a disgrace that reflects poorly on Microsoft. Especially the fact that MS is feeding this Shill/Troll by at least giving him all this free hardware.

@Chips.

ROFL.....

Some of Andre's comments might sound like cheer leading for Redmond, but he's hardly a troll.

You and the other members of the peanut gallery who WON'T LET THIS LAPTOP ISSUE GO.... on the other hand ARE TROLLS.

I come to this site to get news and commentary about tech and Microsoft in general. Not to watch you infantile bastards whine over who.... or who did not get goodies from Bill gates.

Since this post of Joe's is all about the security of Seven Beta 1, and therefore other windows versions as well, then this link is relevant as all the others were as well:

IBM: malware economics, web security biggest issues of 2008

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/02/malware-economics-web-security-major-issues-in-2008.ars

Shiloh Norman says:
The day that some malware takes down MS is the day I star using my Mac full time.
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Oh really?

Microsoft's Irish website defaced

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/12/09/microsoft-ireland-website-defaced
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Just one of the latest examples, not the only one out there. It would seem even MS cannot protect itself, then how is the average user able to protect themselves from Malware with Windows? Since 80% or more cannot, the answer is MS needs to fix it.

Details emerge of Microsoft website hack

news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39287819,00.htm
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Microsoft's IIS twice as likely to host malware than Apache

www.itpro.co.uk/115085/microsofts-iis-twice-as-likely-to-host-malware-than-apache

www.itnews.com.au/News/53854,microsoft-iis-sites-twice-as-likely-to-host-malware.aspx

The phase 3
The real truth :

Hey Chips b malroy.. Why don't you and Goblin explain why you were both caught at the Gay bar holding hands sharing your shirley temple with two straws. Please explain....
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MS shills's general objetives:
Phase:
1- pretend no association to the seller/group and assume the air of an enthusiastic customer
in order to mislead or influence possible customers

2-if the forum opinion is not favourable to MS, they will try to change/dilute the subject and/or bury particularly negative opinions/links

3-if all fails, generally they resort to direct attacks united to trying to destroy (or damage) the credibility of the opponent/blogger

In this forum we did see that and even more (phase 4). I call that the shills's 'bombers' (i.e. Chumpin' On Da' chips)
He came here and exploded...he,he.

Quote "You and the other members of the peanut gallery who WON'T LET THIS LAPTOP ISSUE GO.... on the other hand ARE TROLLS."
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Its a shame for you then that Joe Willcox doesnt regard us as so.
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How does that make you feel when you are trying to convince people we are the trolls yet the owner of this site says we are welcome to post? and your attempts to fudge out an opposing view are prevented?
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How does it make you feel when we can continue to highlight issues with Microsoft products and theres nothing you can do about it?
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How does it make you feel when we can freely expose people to alternative opinion to your Microsoft one and let the end user judge us on their own experiences of those alternatives?
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I suppose it must make you feel angry, thats why you post in the way you do.
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Thats ok, I forgive you, as somewhere in the midst of your rants, youre actually helping to prove what people have been alleging about certain marketing techniques that are employed by "certain" companies. Thank you. Of course as always this thread is being monitored and logged.

To Goblin
I wrote this time ago (and it's valid to day):

Although its true that the intelligent conversation and argumentation went to hell, thanks to the shills here present(and it in itself is sad.)Really this is very funny to observe their despairing efforts to silence the opinions against MS.

When you place quotations or links that direct to any news or comments adverse to MS (without delivering names) you will be able to bring them out of the shadows, for they will give themselves away, because the principal role of a MS' mercenary is the defense of MS.

To me, as we speak, find less and less sense issuing opinions. I may begin to do what you do: paste links or short reviews without having the duty to give an answer. By doing this I achieve two objectives at once: Expose MS and uncover its Shills

When DaveN alleged Linux had 50 users, Microsoft must be worried about those 50. Hes a quote from a job advert for a Microsoft Post (link below)
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"The Windows Competitive Strategy team is looking for a strong team member to lead Microsoft’s global desktop competitive strategy as it relates to open source competitors. Our team mission is to gather intelligence, create business strategies, and drive action in the marketplace for the Windows Client business. In this job, you will be asked to think strategically, put yourself in the mindset of our competitors, influence multi-million dollar marketing campaigns, and drive high-level executive thinking around business strategy.
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As the Director of Open Source Desktop Strategy you will need to drive research and build holistic strategies across dynamic market segments like PCs, NetBooks, and mobile internet devices. You will be responsible for bringing our business strategy to life by discovering and sharing the market insights that set the foundation for our platform value dialogue with customers and the industry."
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Now who was it that called open source hobbyist?

and heres another related link which alleges 700 people are being employed by Microsoft to keep an eye on DaveN's 50 Linux users.
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Mind you if the allegation of some of the posters here work for Microsoft then I can understand why it would take 700 of them. They need all the help they can get.
Lets hope one of those 700 (unlike one of our regulars here) knows that you dont need a compiler to play a music cd in Linux. That would be a good start.
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/microsoft-wants-anti-linux-staff/

To Everyone Out Here;

Yes, I am also fed up with the "Three Amigos."

I got tired of their political triads a while back, several articles ago. Marco in his piss-poor English adding insults, not to mention Chips and that idiot condescending clown called Goblin.

Obviously Joe Wilcox must have a purpose by allowing these dweebs on here. I suppose with these guys wanting to hear the sounds of their own voices here adds hits to Joe's columns, and maybe he uses this information to justify to his advertisers, "Hey look how many comments I get."

These guys are the worst reasons for anyone to consider Linux.

But, folks, these same idiots are the ones who like accusing anyone going after them the same person, or like calling them shills -- They are so predictable.

Sad -- I wonder what they could spin up on me?

Clowns and trolls, each and every one of them.

Dave if you tired of hearing all this, maybe you will like this link, its from eweek as well:

Researchers: Most Attacks Defeat AV, Browsers

http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/researchers_most_attacks_defeat_av_browsers.html

"Researchers at messaging security specialist Cyveillance have issued results of a new report that contends that a majority of today's cutting-edge malware and phishing threats are capable of circumventing most popular AV and browser filtering technologies.

Echoing the findings of similar research project conducted by vulnerability experts at Secunia in mid-2008, the Cyveillance paper maintains that the traditional frontline defense mechanisms deployed by almost every organization and end user are vastly insufficient."
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yes, we still be talking about windows (lack of) security here. Enjoy Dave!

Goblin :
Quote "You and the other members of the peanut gallery who WON'T LET THIS LAPTOP ISSUE GO.... on the other hand ARE TROLLS."
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Well no accounting for taste.

Then again Joe is probably just afraid you'll find out he got a fountain pen or coffee mug from Microsoft and HOUND HIM ACROSS THE FREAKING INTERNET.

Can't really say I blame him for treating you nimrods with kids gloves.

Diamond Dave:

You're dead on pal. Do you see me on the Linux-Watch site praying for teh doom of their beloved Linux? Nope because like most people I could give a damn.

For the record I've used..

Slackware
Mandrake
Redhat
Kubuntu.

I try out a distro every couple years to see if it's good enough for prime time. Guess what? It ain't. Probably never will be since it relies on a community, and the community if full of Nerdy Nazi's like Goblin and his "DoomSayers to all things Microsoft squad".....

Windows: mainstream workwhorse. A whole ecosystem of products that interact and build on a foundation of polished apps.
Mac: Elegant, Powerful, Secure. Coumputing as art baby.
Linux Server: Dependable secure, mature.
Linux Desktop: Buggy, crapware used by cheap nerds and lonely losers.

Now I could have said this on Linux-Watch.... but why bother? THEY'RE ALWAYS OVER HERE.

Shilo;

I also don't give a damn what people use, as long as they are productive and enjoy using whatever it is.

I have no doubts, that these three zealots, are the biggest reason in my mind is are the biggest reasons for anyone who uses Microsoft to stay with Microsoft.

They postulate their relentless condescending diatribes and rhetoric entirely too much here on this site.

If Linux has "shills", these idiots are the worst of them. They literally run or try to run people off this site with their political views. Why do they hate Microsoft so?

They obviously are deleted enough to be like any other mindless shill out here -- Hypocritical they are without exception. The more they try to convince others that Linux Desktop is the best, the more the cracks in their character shows.

They have a great deficiency in their character, and the more we are forced to see and scroll passed their rhetoric, the more the ultimately prove my point.

More and more of us that come here are obviously noticing this menacing trend. Unless, they use the "It's the same guy/girl impersonating other people." or some refuse like that.

Oh, trust me, they'll justify their lunacy and bad character -- Vile that it is.

They really do give Linux Users a bad name. These guys are the reasons that their God of Linux calls them "Monkeys" in the first place.

I use Linux as well, and have been for many years, and I also work with and own a Microsoft box that I never had the security issues these idiots rant and rave about. Maybe they don't know or care to know about security and best practices. None of these dweebs can point out exactly what caused their beloved British Military to sacked by a hack.

It sounding more like that the British Military didn't apply the patches needed to protect themselves.

Microsoft is flawed in many security aspects, and these idiots won't tell you that Linux is also releasing patches and updates as well -- Why, because security is an ongoing endeavor for everyone.

But then again, these idiots won't mention the obvious with the Linux world that I for one stay update to and on.

They strive for "Oneupsmenship" on everyone here. Trolls, each and everyone of them.

Usless trolls...

Diamond Dave, Shilo Norman. and/or Andre Da Costa (aka):

Why not just come out and tell us have you really feel, you know, just let it all out. LOL

typo correction last post: have=how

@chips b malroy

Sure thing Goblin.

See? two or hell three.... can play the lame game.

http://openbytes.wordpress.com/

Check this Goblin out man. He spends his life tryin to blow up that Andre dude over some bullshe 3 year old laptop.

You man If I sent you a Laptop with Knoppix on it would you shut the F&#%^@ up about free laptops and say something interesting for a change?

I guess these users (handles) would rather not talk about the security (lack of) in windows, as that was what Joe Wilcox's post was all about.

They would rather talk about FREE Laptops from Microsoft. Andre Da Costa is the one getting the FREE Laptops for saying nice things about M$ guys, why not ask him?

@CC Torment, is that is who you are, there is no need to use profanity here. Try to keep it down so we can have an intelligent debate.

@Diamond Dave:
I tryed to read you last long winded comment, and this question came to mind right away, I have to ask you:
What are you trying to write a book or something?
But really Dave, why blame the British Navy, the French Military, the cities of Houston and Springfield without knowing anything about it? Even M$ cannot protect their own websites, do you blame them?

@Shilo Norman:
Just for your reference, Mandrake has been replaced by Mandriva linux, now for how many years? Its been a long time that happened, kind makes me wonder about all your Linux experience. A lot can happen in two years, but Mandrake has been gone a lot lot longer.

@Chips.

Pft.... like I didn't know Mandrake became Mandrivel.

I listed more than one distro didn't I bub? Do you think I tried them all at the same time?

I gave up on Mandrake in 02. Redhat in 2000.
Slackware in 2004. Ubuntu in 2007.

They all pretty much sucked @SS to varying degrees.

But I'm not allowed to dislike Linux because it's Mana from heaven. So I must be Andre, Dave, Jeebus or a shill.

Classic.

Guys;

As you can see here, this is the very predictable trait that this piss-poor excuses for Linux Saviors operate.

They will accuse anyone challenging their way of life, or lack of here, as being one person, or the same person.

Wait for it gentlemen, they'll accuse us all being one of the same thing.

So, it's envious, jealousy that this Andre fellow got himself a laptop -- I can understand where these idiots are drawn from.

Thanks for the link, CC, this speaks tomes about these guys.

Goblin;

Yeah shut the F^$k up already, go back to your silly blog site and curse Andre all you want over that old laptop. That way you can take a few photos of yourself, Marco, and Chips sitting there drinking your Shirley Temples and load them on your queer blog... Oh yeah, that's right, no body would come and read them there, would they...

@Chips.

Like I didn't know Mandrake became mandrivel.

When I used it was Mandrake. The first Distro I ever used.

It was great until that supposedly crash proof OS crashed.. Locked up and wouldn't start up. All it had to do was host a few media files and run star-office. and It choked like a fat man at an all you can eat buffet.

Say Andre;

I'm not a microsoft shill or anything, I use Open Solaris, but do you think I would get an aold laptop from Microsoft for bashing these three trolls out here on Microsoft Watch?

I mean, shucks, I could put Ubuntu on it and send it to Goblin with some Astroglide for him and his two friends.

Just wondering...

@Chimps;

A book, hell, it was just a few paragraphs. Listen, troll, do you consider, "Pull Tab to Open." a flipping' novel?

Diamond Dave says:
"They will accuse anyone challenging their way of life, or lack of here, as being one person, or the same person."
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Now I wouldn't want to accuse you of being one and the same person, but I did notice that you
Diamond Dave and "The real truth" both use the same exact Shirley temple/gay bar insult. Coincidence?

And still the profanity, and the anger, why not tell us how you really feel about it? Let it all out Dave. Tell us how much you "love the richness of Windows, Office and and Malware."

Wow, totally predictable. No you stupid dweeb, I read, comprehend, and then agreed with said party.

Chips, you are certainly a man with issues. I did read on some other comments made on several other articles here on this site. Do you think that I am them too...

Stay with what little you know. I have to agree on that one too. You are the biggest airhead out here. Hell, call me Andre too, but send me a laptop when you do, chump.

Say does you damned mother know that you're using her Vista machine, if she'd find out, to bed, off you go...

Loser... Too damned predictable, that you are you single-minded paranoid dweeb.

Go back and read my last insult, I don't use Windows here, keep grapsing at straws, fricking loser.

Whoops, my last comment directed at Chips may be too long for him to read, and obviously I struck a nerve with this clown.

For everyone else: How do you tell a male penguin from a female?

Answer: You can't!

Also, I like BSD too, just in the event you try to comjure up any more of your petty tricks, "Hier Chips"

I read that one too... I also agree, you're no Hitory major let alone anything reamotely positive in being a good witness in representing Linux.

Frickin' clown...

Typo, sorry chips, should of been History major... I'm laughing too hard at your FUD statements...

Is this too long to read too?

@Diamond Doug:
who said:
"Say does you damned mother know that you're using her Vista machine, if she'd find out, to bed, off you go..."

Interesting, only other person that ever accused of running Vista, was Andre Da Costa. Coincidence? But I did notice the "History Major" (spelling corrected) reference, that had to be a reference to what? Maybe Dr. Doug? And "Herr Chips" (again spelling corrected) and Chumps, are definitively insults from past $hill/trolls.

Well, I can see thats its no use to try to continue this conversation with Doug, I mean Dave. It looks like Dave has done a six pack too much or has not figure out how to use a spell checker. So good night to you Dave, hope you don't feel too bad in the morning.

Awe, little chimps, still clutching aimlessly at straws. Who will I be next?

Call me Howard Hughes...

You;re credibility went down the tubes, and in the process, you have made my statements about you absolutely correct.

Hey, maybe you mother's excuse for using contraceptives from then on, you know, after your birth. I may be everyone that comes against you. Maybe they're all me.

You idiot!

Are you doing this to make everyone laugh, are you that much of a frickin clown?

No, I still believe you're and idiot regardless... Is this comment too long for you to understand.

Anyone can cruise through the articles here and find your mindless FUD and your piss-poor links, dweeb.

Chumps, Chimps, Chips, you're all the same to me, a useless, mindless dweeb with nothing better to do than to troll.

How's it feel to be a victim?

Where is your Linux chums now, have you not emailed them to ask for their help?

You make me laugh, you really do, dweeb.

Why do you not write Joe, and let him know that someone is picking on you?

I would imagine that you have... Hey, where's Marco, so he can help with his broken English, or the condescending Goblin to vindicate your worthiness?

Babbling fool, get a frocking life, date some girls, or do something important, "Heir Chips" The insults for you on this site is more than abundant to use, it really is...

and you can ki$$ my A$$, but you'd no doubtfully would like that... Chip$

@ Diamond Dave;

Kudos man, kudos!

I am tired of hearing from these buffoons.

Ad study: Seinfeld helped sink Microsoft

http://blogs.computerworld.com/ad_study_seinfeld_helped_sink_microsoft

"Remember the Bill Gates-Jerry Seinfeld ads, which many people thought were some of the worst ads of all time? Well, the results are in: Those ads were so bad that even Microsoft users thought worse of Microsoft after watching them. So says a company that measures the effect of advertising on brand equity.
After seeing the ad, both Apple and Microsoft users had a more negative perception of Microsoft in the areas of innovation, technology, trouble-free design, and warranty and pricing. "When you see an ad perform this poorly," said Amy Shea, the executive vice president at Brand Keys who conducted the research, "you’ve got a real problem."

Proof that Microsoft Now Fears for the Desktop

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-microsoft-wants-director-os-desktop.html

Hmm, lookee here: Microsoft wants to hire a Director, Open Source Desktop Strategy. Here are the details:

"The Windows Competitive Strategy team is looking for a strong team member to lead Microsoft’s global desktop competitive strategy as it relates to open source competitors. Our team mission is to gather intelligence, create business strategies, and drive action in the marketplace for the Windows Client business. In this job, you will be asked to think strategically, put yourself in the mindset of our competitors, influence multi-million dollar marketing campaigns, and drive high-level executive thinking around business strategy.

As the Director of Open Source Desktop Strategy you will need to drive research and build holistic strategies across dynamic market segments like PCs, NetBooks, and mobile internet devices. You will be responsible for bringing our business strategy to life by discovering and sharing the market insights that set the foundation for our platform value dialogue with customers and the industry.
Nothing could say plainer that Microsoft now fears for the desktop. You don't appoint someone whose job is to lead a "global desktop competitive strategy" that embraces PCs, netbooks and mobile internet devices after years of assuming the desktop was yours forever unless you have a clear and vivid idea that there is a new and real threat in this sector. And you don't have to be a mind-reader to guess that Microsoft is thinking of GNU/Linux here."

Isnt it great that when a regular and somewhat dubious pro-MS poster has nothing to say we get all these new handles popping up?
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I ask people to have a look at the style, the comments, the structure of the posts. Havent we seen it before?
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You would think that these people would make an effort to at least change their style.
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How many one post wonders have we seen recently?
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What does their posts say to Microsoft shareholders about the maturity and seriousness of a pro-Microsoft argument.
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Whilst the alternatives users post articles that are current in the IT world, all the pro-MS argument seems to be able to produce is things like
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"Hey, maybe you mother's excuse for using contraceptives from then on, you know, after your birth. I may be everyone that comes against you. Maybe they're all me."
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I hope shareholders keep this in mind. If things were going so well at Redmond and if Microsoft products were as great as the PR suggests, why would the pro-ms commenters have to fire back with childishness like this?
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Myself chips and others here are trying to post in relation to IT matters to discuss and debate, we are all adults here (with the exception of Diamond Dave) and should be able to stay mature without resorts to "mother jokes". We dont all have the same point of view, but that doesnt matter, we are only talking about software for heavens sake, and there are far more important issues in the world to get angry about.
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That is unless its your job to distort an alternative view.
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Diamond Dave et al. It doesnt matter what you imply or say, I do not judge you. Your judge is the readers here who will make purchasing decisions based on their own research. I wonder what damage you do to the Microsoft message will sillyness like we've seen?
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If anyone should represent the views/products of Microsoft here (and be paid) it should be people like Jess Meats as she puts across a decent image of the company, shes intelligent, honest, and her posts come across as real. In the few posts shes made (IMO) she has managed to undo a little of the damage posters like Andre Da Costa do when they are promoting Microsoft products.
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If any Microsoft "bigwigs" are reading this, I ask you to consider the above, and maybe the public image of Microsoft would not be so poor (IMO) if there were more people like Jess representing it.
As I Linux user, I would be more tempted to try a Microsoft package recommendation from someone like Jess, than from any other regular poster.
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Ive had information that Microsoft Watch is not alone with the likes of Diamond Dave, there is apparently another forum that has been hit by a squad posting in the same childish way, I wonder if its connected? Details are being logged, compared and collected and the results will be linked here.
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Alleged adults posting "mother jokes" on a site thats meant for IT issues? If I hadnt seen it for myself, I wouldnt believe it.

Hey CC Torment!
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Thanks for the link (something which I dont believe in doing myself)
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Quote CC "Check this Goblin out man. He spends his life tryin to blow up that Andre dude over some bullshe 3 year old laptop."
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Grow up.
Yes, I did concentrate on Andre. Now that Ridleys explained that he did infact recieve a $6000 laptop and Andre believes that you need a compiler to play a music CD in Linux, the matter is over. Im moving onto Comic Relief charity issues now, and havent made another post on Andre.
BTW, youve also missed out the article here:
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/andre-da-costa-schwag/
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Of course, Andres readers may need to be reminded of the fact, just so they can keep it in mind when considering how impartial he is. Maybe they can also consider the begging letter Andre is alleged to have wrote to Apple aswell?
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Moving on in regards to your suggestion that someone should send me a laptop. My email is on the link you kindly placed for me, and I will publish on my site ANY enticement I am offered via email.
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I believe that people who post on the basis of gifts/enticements will have a far harsher judgment than that by their readers and it will be by a higher power than any of us later on.
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So I now wait for one of our posters to go down the "insult religion" route, although since I havent mentioned which one it is, they will have to guess.

Will someone out here send this idiot Goblin who is so in love with his own comments a f&*()ing laptop.

Or maybe there's more than meets the eye with this goon. Maybe Andre turned this gimp down in a relationship.

If anyone needs to grow up here, it's Goblin verses the "Andre got a free laptop, and I didn't" thing.

So what, Goblin, listen Linux doesn't give out free laptops, and neither does Apple. Just go and buy one. Don't they sell laptops in England?

You flipping Wanker!

LOL.
I wasnt going to respond because you'd already made an exhibition of yourself, but I couldnt resist this one:
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Quote Diamond "If anyone needs to grow up here, it's Goblin verses the "Andre got a free laptop, and I didn't" thing."
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Who then goes on to say:
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Quote Diamond "So what, Goblin, listen Linux doesn't give out free laptops, and neither does Apple. Just go and buy one. Don't they sell laptops in England?
You flipping Wanker!"
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I wish Diamond, you could see the irony in those comments.
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Have a nice day. Thanks for the post!

Heh. I'm viewing this page through Firefox running on Ubuntu from a windows vista hosted virtual machine.

The font looks like pure crap.

and dont tell me, you think its hard to install and package and are busy looking for a compiler to play your music CD's?!?!?!
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If there is anyone here who is put off from Linux by CC Torments font revelation, anyone who really does use and know Linux will tell you that you can actually download all the fonts you are accustomed to in Windows (if you really want)
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Strange that CC is busy with his alleged "virtual machine" when it was only the other day on Twitter Andre was claiming to be downloading VMWARE.
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Ill let the readers decide while we wait for a proper discussion to start instead of the sillyness and obscenity we've seen today.

Back on track with Vista 7 security issues:
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/windows-security-nato-uac/
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NATO are now victims?

Goblin writes...

"I wasnt going to respond because you'd already made an exhibition of yourself, but I couldnt resist this one"

Goblin you can't resist posting and hearing your own words, writing your own useless rhetoric. You three dweebs just keep proving my point every time. Least you're not picking on Andre, then again, you clowns probably think I am him too.

Listen, I don't use Microsoft, so I've disarmed that foolish idiot Chumps. You trolls don't seemed to like the fact that I and a few others on this site are stating our disapointment in you three coming after anyone and everyone who seems to enjoy Microsoft for whatever the reason -- I highly doubt that they are Andre's so called "Sockpuppets" and gimps, I mean as chimps puts it.

Might I suggest that you three idiots email Steve Ballmer directly with your BS, maybe he'll care, maybe he won't. You can then try to bother him like you do so many here -- Hey, WTF, maybe he'll give you guys a laptop so you can STFU!

Hi guys;

Goblin wrote "If there is anyone here who is put off from Linux by CC Torments font revelation."

I have to agree, I am not put off in the least about linux by what CC said. I also do not like the way the fonts look in Ubuntu. I since then went back to XP. I do a lot of reading and writing. I really don't care what I use, as long as it is usable, Ubuntu isn't "usable" for me.

I am not a computer person, just a person using a computer. I am also not the only person that feels this way about this topic.

When Microsoft stops supporting XP, I'll look at some other alternatives.

Goblin, I know you're catching grief here, but it isn't CC or the other guys making Linux sour on this board, it's you.

Firstly thank you Samuel. I expected that. If anyone cares to look at the tactics used before, we always see the "turn around post" we saw it before with Ridley, we saw it before with others. This is where the poster starts friendly (often to let the reader believe they are taking a Linux stance) and then they suddenly turn.
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Now if you honestly believe that readers are looking at your post and thinking "hey, Goblin must be wrong since Sammuel has an open mind and he disagrees with Goblin challenging people" then you are wrong. Im not sure why you are being so obvious, but hey carry on.
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You claim Im making Linux sour, how? By challenging inappropriate remarks? by challenging comments such as "linux needing a compiler to play a music CD" or "its not easy installing packages"
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Am I making Linux sour by asking for a little disclosure (which now btw suggests why andre posts adverts and not opinion)
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Whilst these two "new" handles are trying to suggest that Andre is some sort of victim, let us not forget that it was he who did not disclose and it is Andre who is guilty of being insulting and vulgar to other users (Chips)
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But my favorite part of Samuels has to be at the end when he tries to be clever:
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Quote "Goblin, I know you're catching grief here, but it isn't CC or the other guys making Linux sour on this board, it's you."
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LOL Aww, sympathy on one hand that tries to validate an untruthful claim. Please state where I have made Linux sour, quote my comments, show me where I have used language like the ones above? You cant, so well done for trying better luck next time.
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@Diamond Dave
Right, moving on to you.
Theres really not much to say since you cant respond like an adult.
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Quote "You three dweebs just keep proving my point every time."
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Ok Dave,just carry on.
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I ask everyone reading this to look back over peoples behaviour unlike the few potty mouths we have here, I am willing to stand by my words. I havent been insulting and I am happy for anyone to check back on my conduct.
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This (IMO) is a tactic that has been alleged against certain posters before, and we all have seen the fudging tactics here that made Joe Wilcox delete their posts. Heres another example of new handles popping up, making claims and being offensive.
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Carry on people. We will. I could care less what you post about me, as long as people are able to link to the counters to your lies and propaganda Im really not bothered.
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Enjoy! - Post your Microsoft lies, we will always counter them with challenging articles/sites. I to the pro-Ms posters who I have had sensible conversations with, please keep posting. Lets try to move away from the schoolyard that we have seen here with some, I really enjoy debating with you and at the end of the day whatever platform you use it is of no consequence to me, I post my opinions. However these opinions are not as a result of any gift.

What a name, Goblin.... Now I get it. It stands for He is Goblin Chips's junk. You too fruit cakes really crack me up. I can almost hear your lisps when reading your silly comments. You write like a couple of chicks. Who wears the pants in your relationship? I guess you were happy to move to California and getting married. Maybe you guys should work so closely together now that you are married becuase your gay pride shows through in all your jibberish.

As for your articles.. Funny how they ALL come from Anti-microsoft sites. But what is even more irrelevant is the few articles you are providing against the massive installation base for windows. Why don't you work out the percentages. You need about 100,000 more of those silly links from creditible sources to even match the install base between Windows and STinkus (linux) or Apple. It is like saying my here are two articles on this Ford vehicle recall and let me compare that to the Kia Rio recalls that have sold about 100 cars worldwide.

So please spare everyone on here with your alternative lifesytle reporting. I think we are all a little more sissy from reading your posts.

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In regards to Microsoft lies, I would like to clarify that this DOES NOT refer to genuine posters who use Microsoft products. Its the type of claims that promote a Microsoft product over Linux with dishonestly such as "hard to install packages on Linux" "need compiler to play music CD's" Of course its all (IMO) but to me, its very easy to tell the difference between a post by Jess Meats and a post by Ridley.
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For the record I dont actually believe Microsoft is responsible for the posters on this thread. I refuse to believe Microsoft would be involved with these type of posters, since they lack even the most basic knowledge on the subjects they attempt to discuss.
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As always though, its up to the other readers to decide.

@The Real truth
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Didnt you read my post? You almost perfectly emulated what I said happens. LOL.
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I just hope now someone doesnt accuse me of being you just to prove my own point.
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"Real truth" I bow to your obvious superior IT knowledge.

Diamond Dave :wrote

"Might I suggest that you three idiots email Steve Ballmer directly with your BS, maybe he'll care, maybe he won't. You can then try to bother him like you do so many here -- Hey, WTF, maybe he'll give you guys a laptop so you can STFU!"
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The thing is, I could not lie and tell people Windows is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that Vista is the best OS ever.

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I can say I think XP WAS the greatest OS released ever. Having said that, it is long in the tooth unfortunately and Vista was not a suitable replacement for it. Windows 7 is better than Vista for sure. But it has higher requirements than XP and has a "few" security issues to be still be dealt with.
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I too can hack Vista and rename it something else. Well I did have to hack Vista to increase performance.

Minimize startup programs to one or none. Disable system restore, disable Windows defender, disable Aero, disable the side bar, disable indexing. Now you can have a slight better performance. Funny thing, the same people who said Linux is a OS that needs tinkering to work (which it DOES NOT BTW), are totally speechless when you mention the Vista hacks to try to make it run faster.
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Linux, namely Ubuntu is a fine replacement for Windows for some, a great additional resource for others, and still yet another great valuable OS to add on to your system if one decides to keep Windows around for some specific reasons.

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Some here are missing the point. Linux IS a force to be reckoned with. And it doesn't matter if you abandon Windows for it, or use it along with Windows. The important point some are missing is...why limit yourself to Windows only? Linux is free and comes with THOUSANDS of free applications. Enjoy the free gift of Linux, and stop and smell the coffee....regular, decaf, or super deluxe blends.

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Its not like one has to shell out $1500 to $2000 for a new Mac just to use Apple. Linux is free, free for you me and millions of others. That is what Linux is, and some of us here really appreciate the free and the unselfish hard work of countless hundreds of thousands of man hours by high end developers who gave their 100% for free. Making Linux into what we know it as today.

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Linux is not perfect, but neither is Windows. Again the subject seems to come up,...why mention Linux in a Windows blog. Linux is competition (whether you like it or not) to Windows despite it oft quoted " 0.86 % " market share (its much higher than that).

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Windows has some serious security issues that needs taking care of. One positive step by Windows is the offer of free antispyware for its OS's later this year. But still, regardless it is still putting a band aid on a oozing wound.
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MSFT needs to rebuild Windows from the bottom up. Apple took its OSX from BSD. Windows needs to redo its OS, take its cue from Apple and do a make over from Linux or some other secure OS. If they do not, we will be here five years later still talking about the same flipping security issues. By then Apple could have 20% and Linux 10% or more.
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Maybe someday, we could all come together and say, "I use Linux and I use Windows...cool me too" but this Windows "and nothing else is better" well...that is ignorance...though someone said ignorance is bliss...so be it...For me I am happy being in that oft quoted 0.86%....

I am a regular supporter of open source and linux, a friend messaged me to check out the land mines over yonder.

Not gonna lie, I admire Goblin and Chip's tenacity, but (there is a but), there is some deterrent in their conviction for existing Windows users to try alternatives. Linux has moved away years ago from the type of cut throat attitude I am reading from people like Goblin. The war if there ever was one has been won by Microsoft. Its hard to say it, but being condescending is not gonna move users from Windows to Linux, neither is beating up on some MS supporter. We need all the users we can get, using a more modern approach instead of the Jihad like mentality I am reading here.

More Windows Malware?
and this from eweek

Malware Counts Bore Upward, Onward

http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/malware_counts_bore_upward_onward.html

"You can't emphasize it enough when you see the numbers - we continue to be pelted with record amounts of malware code, forcing security vendors to engage in an increasingly sprawling game of cat-and-mouse. Driven by millions of new malware samples made possible through automation and the use of professional authoring toolkits, the numbers just keep running further and further into the stratosphere.

Last month, researchers with PandaLabs reported that they encountered more malware attacks over the first eight months of 2008 than they saw in the previous 17 years combined. Consider that for a moment."

Quote Jacob"I am a regular supporter of open source and linux, a friend messaged me to check out the land mines over yonder. "
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This is going to be good.
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Ok Jacob, Ill take you on your word and believe your story.
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Please then explain what you mean by: "of cut throat attitude I am reading from people like Goblin"
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Quote "The war if there ever was one has been won by Microsoft."
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This makes be think you are not a Linux user. The only war here (and there is one) is to challenge inappropriate and incorrect facts that some pro-ms posters type in order to convince people.
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If you had cared to read my previous posts first without making any assumptions about me, you would have seen that I DONT WANT MASS MIGRATION TO THE LINUX PLATFORM (sorry everyone else for the caps, its just Ive said that so many times I dont know how much clearer I can make it)
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As Ive said time and time again I think Windows users are largely responsible for the binary slug of Windows, whilst Microsoft has pandered to them with one click solutions (and in the background these many users have also become easy targets for malware and exploits)
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Im not sure how you know so much of my opinion Jacob, but before you start commenting again, maybe consider that I have also said I dont believe Linux will become a dominating platform.
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Now the more suspicious part of your post.
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Quote "We need all the users we can get, using a more modern approach instead of the Jihad like mentality I am reading here. "
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If anyone cares to check Boycott Novell, there was recently a pro-ms poster who claimed that Linux users were like terrorists. Coincidence? Maybe, but its in very bad taste Jacob, and I suggest next time you think before you post.
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So lets see if this "new" handle (we've had lots of new ones today havent we?) will answer my question to him:
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Where are examples of my cut throat attitude, when I have presented an alternative view to Microsoft? Please quote with links. If you cant then I put it to you that you are a liar.

Since Jacob thinks my attitude is cut-throat!?!?
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Ill do what others do and post another link. I wont even mention "he who cannot be named" and since Jacob doesnt seem to have a problem with Chip's links, Ill do the same.
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So heres the link. This time its Vietnam moving to Opensource.
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http://english.vietnamnet.vn/tech/2009/01/822425/

Ha,ha,ha
Hi Chips,
Diamond Dave(aka Doug and his van), Shiloh Norman and The Deal (another puppet)= despairing.
The time of launch seven is close and 'they' have to destroy any opinions against MS.
The problem is they are only 3 or 4.
Do you remember MS' good times? They had 6 or more simultaneous shills...
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Chips;
@Diamond Doug:
who said:
"Say does you damned mother know that you're using her Vista machine, if she'd find out, to bed, off you go...

Yes,it is so, when 'good fat boy' Doug gets excited he tends to repeat little trite phrases as: "I struck a nerve", that demonstrates the poverty of his arguments and why he doesn't stand out as a writer.
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While we are waiting for Jacob to look through my posts to back up the libelous claims he made about me and answer the challenge ive put to him, Ive made an update on my blog, a right of reply (if you will) for myself.
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Thanks to a previous poster (one of those new handles who appear for a short time) Im already receiving an increase in popularity that was much needed for my little blog.
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Cheers!
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Oh and a link for those interested in the allegation of "Microsoft Distorts the Linux and Virtualisation Markets"
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/distortion-with-patent-sles/

Google phone helps maker post solid Q4, new products coming
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/020609-google-phone-helps-maker-post.html?hpg1=bn

The fourth quarter launch of T-Mobile's G1, the first smartphone to use Google's Android OS, helped the handset's maker nearly meet its earnings targets despite a sharp global economic downturn.
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You could forget MS and its greed, there are other alternatives which would allow your company to earn money in the current crisis.
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'...If we do that we achieve two objectives at once: To expose MS and to uncover its Shills, when they are attacking in desperation.

Marco :wrote

"Do you remember MS' good times? They had 6 or more simultaneous shills..."
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I wonder if the layoffs affect them too...or is it just a coincidence?

Hi Ralph, could I just add, great link in your handle. Gutsy Geeks is a great FOSS radio show!
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I think Ill use my handle to link to my favorite online site!

Goblin :wrote

"Hi Ralph, could I just add, great link in your handle. Gutsy Geeks is a great FOSS radio show!
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I think Ill use my handle to link to my favorite online site!"
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Sure thing, but my link keeps changing with just about every comment. There are just too many great Linux resource links to keep only one.

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For those that didn't know, Gusty Geeks is based out of Phoenix AZ on a real radio station. They used to be called "PC Chat" and went all Linux last year.

http://www.gutsygeeks.com/

What does this have to do with Microsoft? Plenty! PC Chat was a computer talk show dealing with troubleshooting Windows machines.

This is the first regular computer show (that I know of) broadcast on a regular radio station in the U.S. that dumped Windows computer talk for Linux talk....thats progress!

Now we are waiting for Kim Komando to go all Linux talk...well we can dream....:-)

@ Samuel

If you're serious about the fonts issue in Linux, these were resolved a couple of versions ago in Ubuntu, when David Turner's Freetype work was included in the standard installation. Prior to this, I have to agree, Linux font rendering just sucked. You'll also need to install the MSTT Core Fonts and set up native or autohinting to your liking. IMO, font rendering in Linux is now superior to both Windows and Macs. If you need any more info, just post.

Ralph :
"I wonder if the layoffs affect them too...or is it just a coincidence?"
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To Ralph; really is difficult understand the virulence of their attack :'idiot condescending clown','Nerdy Nazi's', etc ....But IF we think (inter alia) 'if the layoffs affect them too'... Then it is easier to understand.

Oh we've got a cracking Windows 7 link here.
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Its about why Windows 7 will fail on netbooks. Why will it fail I hear you ask? Because apparently the version of Windows 7 that will ship on Netbooks will only run 3 applications at the same time!
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Heres the article, and maybe answers the question that many people were asking on the Net "How limited is Windows 7 starter?" Id say if it only can run three apps, very.
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http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/06/three-reasons-windows-7-will-fail-on-netbooks/
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and if anyone wants to dispute the validity of the post, the wallstreet journal has also written an article, which I will link on the following post.

and heres a supporting report in the wallstreet journal:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/06/microsofts-plan-to-upsell-windows-7/

@ Ralph:

"The thing is, I could not lie and tell people Windows is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that Vista is the best OS ever."

WTF?

Where in the hell did I say that? If you are reading Chumps' comments, he obviously can't read, that is, he reads what he thinks he sees. I don't, won't use Microsoft.

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Jacob wrote:

"The war if there ever was one has been won by Microsoft. Its hard to say it, but being condescending is not gonna move users from Windows to Linux, neither is beating up on some MS supporter. We need all the users we can get, using a more modern approach instead of the Jihad like mentality I am reading here."

Bravo, well said! I have friends that are die-hard Linux enthusiasts that acted as these Linux guys do, and for the record that Chimps, Ralph, and some others think, I do not use MS products, I chose Open Solaris 10, it works fantasic for me.

Quote "I do not use MS products, I chose Open Solaris 10, it works fantasic for me."
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Why do you use it? We've explained countless times all the features that Linux offers us over a Windows platform. Why dont you do the same about Open Solaris 10? Youre input would be appreciated.
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Of course I welcome your alternative view, so Diamond is an Open Solaris user? Great another person whos posting here who knows the benefits of using alternatives to Microsoft products.
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Whoever said that Microsoft-Watch was more pro-alternatives than linux.com was right...oh hang on, that was me...doh.
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I hope the Microsoft shareholders are taking note, yet another poster coming here who has found out for themselves the benefits of looking for a solution away from Microsoft.
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On a final note, Im sure, being the alternatives supporter you are, you wont mind if I include the article again which reports on Windows 7 for the netbook being alleged to only run up to three applications at the same time. Being as you dont use Microsoft products, Im sure you wouldnt want to be accused of trying to distort that piece of news would you?
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http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/06/microsofts-plan-to-upsell-windows-7/

Goblin :
and dont tell me, you think its hard to install and package and are busy looking for a compiler to play your music CD's?!?!?!
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If there is anyone here who is put off from Linux by CC Torments font revelation, anyone who really does use and know Linux will tell you that you can actually download all the fonts you are accustomed to in Windows (if you really want)
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Strange that CC is busy with his alleged "virtual machine" when it was only the other day on Twitter Andre was claiming to be downloading VMWARE.

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Nope sorry you sick goofball.
I'm not Andre. I know it's hard for you to grasp but there are more people besides Da Costa who think you're an arrogant mouth breathing ass.

I figured I'd try Linux see what all the hype is about. See if it improved since the last 6 or 7 times I'd tried it. NOPE. The interface STILL looks like a 12 year old put it together with pickup sticks. It's fu&@#$ng horrible. I see why you dudes love the command line so much. The terminal looks way better than that crap GUI. All the fonts in the world won't fix that.

Sorry Jacob, I meant to say:

If my Linux friends were like the Tres mariconazos seen here, well, I would be bouncing their butts out the door.

The Linux calientapollas that many suffer here, well like a few of us said already, are terrible witnesses...

To the three, "Cago en tu leche, Payasos!"

@CC Torment
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Now come on, theres no need to get angry. We are only talking about software.
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Im going to quote your childish tirade, but I hope you'll forgive me for blanking out your potty mouth as I dont think the readers need a repeat of that.
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Quote "Nope sorry you sick goofball.
I'm not Andre. I know it's hard for you to grasp but there are more people besides Da Costa who think you're an arrogant mouth breathing a##."
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I never said you were, I said it was STRANGE (how can you get that wrong when youve even quoted me?), readers can draw their own conclusions, and Id guess after your little demonstration there, youve not helped your cause any.
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I wont quote the rest, as I believe you are better able to highlight your own shortcomings than I ever could. Please by all means carry on. I think it says alot about your IT opinion when you seem to place visuals as an important feature. BTW for those users who visuals are important to, I will be linking to some videos in youtube of what Linux can actually look like.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/06/microsofts-plan-to-upsell-windows-7/

Goblin;

"Why do you use it? We've explained countless times all the features that Linux offers us over a Windows platform. Why don't you do the same about Open Solaris 10? Youre input would be appreciated."

I don't need to explain anything to you,Cabron. Unlike you, I do not have to convince the world that what I personally choose for me, works great for me, never had any of those pichacorta dialogs with the graphics of a clown looking like he got fried saying that there is some sort of a system error and Linux has to reboot. Ubuntu, crashes also. No thanks, Ubuntu and all the distros is nothing but mierda to me!

Folks, though I use Solaris 10, and works circles around Ubuntu, Mint, Redhat, and most other crappy distros, please do not assume that I will bash your choices if they are Microsoft Desktops operating systems and software. I am not the Linux pichacortas that condescend and troll against anyone using whatever that they don't use.

Linux's role in Microsoft's decline

Microsoft yesterday laid off 1,400 workers, with another 3,600 on the block within 18 months. We asked Linux Foundation Director Jim Zemlin what role if any Linux played in Microsoft's misfortunes, how Microsoft will react, and what the news means for Linux and open source.

As early as last quarter, Microsoft admitted that Linux and netbooks were eating into its fat profits. The news really came home yesterday, though, with the software giant announcing its first-ever layoffs.

Our sister site, LinuxDevices.com, caught up with Linux Foundation Director Jim Zemlin for perspective on what the announcement means for Linux and open source. Topics covered by Zemlin include:

* Respective demand-side learning curves of Linux and Microsoft, vis-a-vis the emergence of netbooks and other high-growth technology sectors
* Linux's value to the greater tech sector, notwithstanding its effects on Microsoft
* Examples of companies that seem to be embracing technological change more readily than Microsoft
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Why answers those who do not say nothing but insults?.
dejalos quemarse en el infierno de su propia impotencia
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'...If we do that we achieve two objectives at once: To expose MS and to uncover its Shills, when they are attacking in desperation

@Goblin:
And now with your question you see that Diamond Doug cannot defend he pretend OS (Solaris) of choice. Inside we see the truth in that he loves the richest of Microsoft. Andre too loves the richest, of FREE laptops and computers of Microsoft.

You know you are getting the attention of M$ when their supporter and shills, cannot defend the HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE, the complete lack of security in Windows. They won't even try, they would rather just insult.

@Marco:
Agreed, they want to act as Trolls for Micro$oft, fine, leave them out of the conversation.

Nice link on the layoffs at M$. Too bad a lot of good folks be gone there.

Ballmer is now alluding that this recession maybe as bad as several depressions, including the one in 1929. Don't have the link right now, but if he turns out to be correct, M$ will continue to have more layoffs and bigger ones. Expect the profits at M$ to be far worse next quarter.

CC Torment wrote:

"I'm not Andre. I know it's hard for you to grasp but there are more people besides Da Costa who think you're an arrogant mouth breathing a##."

Understood...

Yes, these are the troll-like tactics they use, of course, as I said previously while reading through many of these comments, chumps, goblin, and the hijo de puta, called marco like to accuse anyone that challenges them with the following:

1.) Microsoft Shills -- Chumps accused me of this even after I wrote that I am an Open Solaris user.

2.) They like calling me, or accusing me of
being someone else, yes, this is happening to any of you right now, don't feel alone.

3.) They will try to convince anyone that you work for Microsoft, thus, you have received, or receiving a laptop already from Redmond.

Now these calientapollas are nothing more than the worse Linux representives there are. Don't just take my word for it, cruise through the tomes of comments these mariquitas have made already.

Chips: "leave them out of the conversation"
We know that chips, they are irrelevant,it was ,is and will be thus.
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lasciar bruciare nelle fiamme dell suo proprio inferno .

@Marco:

Isn't it odd that the Softies are not concerned about the security of Windows? And neither are those in Deadwood that live in broken down Vans either.

Even Bill Gates could care less about the Security of Windows. He does care about DRM, as per this post:

Bill Gates Admits Microsoft’s Failure in Security, Gears Up for DRM

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/05/billg-ms-failed-on-security/

"From: Bill Gates [to=microsoft/ou=northamerica/cn=Recipients=1648] on behalf of Bill Gates
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 11:39 AM
To: Marshall Brumer
Cc: Jim Allchin (Exchange); Eric Rudder; Butler Lampson; Anthony Bay (Exchange); Mike Porter
Subject: RE: MS/Intel Executive meeting notes - 3/3/99 - Santa Clara, CA .
Sensitivity: Confidential

I don’t understand the security disconnect at all. Why would our goals be different?

I know we have failed to have an overall view of security and security APIs and its a mess with certs in some places and other approaches elsewhere.

However we are forced to get our act together because of the Digital Rights Management issues, How can Intel see it differently? "
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So why is it a surprise that Micro$oft call the UAC exploit in Seven Beta, "a feature not a bug?" That is until pressure forced Micro$oft to concede to fix it.

Quote Diamond "Microsoft Shills -- Chumps accused me of this even after I wrote that I am an Open Solaris user."
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Whatever you say Diamond. You still havent explained why you use it. LOL and if youre not prepared to champion it where you said "Unlike you, I do not have to convince the world that what I personally choose for me, works great for me"
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Quote Diamond "They like calling me, or accusing me ofbeing someone else, yes, this is happening to any of you right now, don't feel alone."
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Awww what a victim you are. Do I need to remind you what you posted earlier? Quote Diamond (from earlier):
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"So what, Goblin, listen Linux doesn't give out free laptops, and neither does Apple. Just go and buy one. Don't they sell laptops in England?
You flipping Wanker!"
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Or did you forget that?
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Quote Diamond "Don't just take my word for it"
I dont think, after youre vulgar little tirades to day you have to worry about anyone doing that.
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Im pleased you are another user who has found a better solution away from Microsoft, and despite our obvious differences, I would hope in the future we can debate your Open Solaris. In the meantime, users who are considering a move away from Microsoft products have another point of view to consider. That can only be a good thing for the end user.

Goblin --

"despite our obvious differences, I would hope in the future we can debate your Open Solaris"

Cripes, you proved these guys points, especially Diamond Dave's opinion as nothing less than correct about you.

Why in God's green earth must you even debate why he likes his OS of choice?

In spite of how this man speaks of you, I see his point in this matter. You indeed sir, have a complex. I for one, will never take anything you have to say about Linux or in anything seriously again.

I am sorry, and for Jacob, he is right and someone I would listen to. You as they say, are without a doubt, nothing less than a malicious troll!

@The Deal.
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Thanks for posting, and I fully respect your opinion. Afterall its yours.
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As our 5th new handle that has appeared today I hope you stay. I look forward to future debates with you.
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I also thank you for your compliment of "I for one, will never take anything you have to say about Linux or in anything seriously again."
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So presumably you did at one point. I too am pleased Jacob is about, since Ive always said an informed opinion comes of your own research (not just one persons). You now have your own opinion, and Im pleased I could be the one to help you find it (with the help of Jacob)
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Speak to you soon.
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Goblin.

Hopefully the 5th new poster in the last 24 hours "the deal" feels better for his agreements with Jacob. Whilst I love to hear more about this "complex" of mine, or how by wanting to discuss someones OS of choice is strange on a forum regarding IT, we must move on.
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And move on we will.
Here we have a report on the mounting criticism over Windows 7 security.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10156617-56.html?tag=mncol;posts
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I think the big question will be, not how secure Windows is or isnt, its how much longer these new handles can keep turning up without them running out of ideas.
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and thats me done for the night, "new handles" - you have this thread until Sunday mid morning. Enjoy.

@Goblin :

I wont quote the rest, as I believe you are better able to highlight your own shortcomings than I ever could. Please by all means carry on. I think it says alot about your IT opinion when you seem to place visuals as an important feature
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ROFL.

Yes Goblin visuals ARE important. That's why Apple has been successful in turning OpenBSD into a mainstream operating system. It looks tits.

You and your crowd are the people clamoring for wide scale Desktop adoption. If that's going to happen you have to give people what they want.

Slick easy to use intuitive interface.

Programs that just work without a week of resarching.

Easy to use installers. And for gods sake just ONE INSTALLER PER OS.

Computing in Linux world is like being lost in the wilderness. And pft.... why am I even bothering. The fact is you use what get's the job done for you in the end. And as a desktop OS Loonix in it's current form doesn't deliver the goods for me. That being said I think I will build a box, load it with hard drives and load Ubuntu on it as a file server. (If I can find working NIC drivers) It's well suited for that. But I'd rather saw my own nuggets off than try to use that crap interface for the bulk of my computing needs. The best feature I noticed with this last test is it came with an RDP client so I can attach to a windows desktop and get work done. But then why bother?

@: CC.Torment

Quote: "You and your crowd are the people clamoring for wide scale Desktop adoption."

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Umm, CC, I can't speak for the others, but, if memory serves, hasn't Goblin said repeatedly that he would rather not have a mass migration to the Linux platform? In fact, I believe he said it once more in this very thread, in all caps no less. Here, I'll quote that section from up there:

Quote Goblin:
"If you had cared to read my previous posts first without making any assumptions about me, you would have seen that I DONT WANT MASS MIGRATION TO THE LINUX PLATFORM (sorry everyone else for the caps, its just Ive said that so many times I dont know how much clearer I can make it)"

@Will

Point taken.

I don't believe him mind you. But point taken.

@CC Torrents
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Firstly, why do you use terms such as "It looks tits."?
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Please, I want to have proper discussions.
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Quote "I don't believe him mind you. But point taken." (in relation to me not wanting Mass migration)
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Trustful posting is something that some of the new handles here have a very liberal view.

I wont make that assumption of you CC but what I will say is that I came here in September last year and one either my FIRST or SECOND post, I said I believed mass migration would be harmful to Linux. Please check it out (or better yet if Joe Willcox could confirm) I have always only had one handle, and when we had that sillyness with the pro-ms posters having multiple handles from the same IP, I WAS NOT the one who had their posts deleted.
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CC I have repeatedly said, I could care less what people think of me (thats why all the personal insults have had no effect) As long as Joe allows me to post here (which he does and says Im welcome) the fact that I can challenge FUD and inaccurate information in relation to Linux and alternatives is good enough for me.
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and lastly, Quote "Yes Goblin visuals ARE important." - Only for selling of a package to people who may not appreciate functionality.
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As I would believe many people here have a keen IT interest, are we really saying that visuals over functionality is important?
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Im pleased you mention visuals though, please follow the link to an example of Linux. If we are talking visuals, IMO this looks better than Windows 7, lets see what the readers think:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws
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Compiz-Fusion on (IMO) only medium effect settings. We've had these type of effects for a long while. Why does Microsoft think it has a modern looking OS and the fancy visual features of Vista/7 something new?
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"You and your crowd are the people clamoring for wide scale Desktop adoption."

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I am happy with Linux having a 0.86%, or 2% or 4 % depending which source one reads from...or what "script" they "read" from.
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In fact we could have five or six more countries moving to open source and 20,000 more schools moving to Linux and open source...and we will still be at 0.86%. Who cares?
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If people want to be stuck on Windows and only Windows for the rest of their life. Its their loss...not mine...

CC.Torment

As you can see, Goblin is attempting to dictate to you, on how to "speak" here on his site -- Problem here is, in America, were Americans and secondly, it's not his site.

There's nothing at all wrong with what you've said. It doesn't look like this idiot gets it.

Will:

Thank you for the information, and personally I like your style in commenting throughout this board. I believe pluralism is a wonderful thing, fresh ideas and viewpoints without the condescending, troll-like behavior that must vindicate one's veiws in a constant malicious spirit.

Will :

@: CC.Torment

Quote: "You and your crowd are the people clamoring for wide scale Desktop adoption."
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Actually, Goblin is not. However, I would have to ask what is the problems with that? Why would anyone fear Linux as competition to Windows, as they keep telling us its not?

We will all be better off when MS loses more market share to Linux and MAC. That way, MS will be forced to actually change things that need fixing in it's OS, LIKE THE SECURITY/MALWARE problems, instead of making useless unasked for UI and Taskbar changes. Competition and MS losing another 20% or more of the desktop operating system market will be a good thing for consumers, as MS will seen a real need to truely fix problems for consumers.

I have stated before, that if MS could put limited users accounts by default, hide the administrator account, remove IE, WMP, outlook, Windows Messenger, and any other ActiveX, that it might be about 50 to 60% secure at that point, and I would not criticize Windows so much. That is what needs to be done at this point to stop the pain of Windows users. BTW, that in itself of course is not enough, Windows users would still have to run all the anti-virus and anti-malare apps as well.

I you can't criticize a product, without all these softies showing up to insult you, how will M$ ever get the idea, that its products have fallen so far behind others, and need fixing? For me, I want M$ to fix its products, like windows, like a responsible company should.

Quote "As you can see, Goblin is attempting to dictate to you, on how to "speak" here on his site -- Problem here is, in America, were Americans and secondly, it's not his site."
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What are you talking about? You think use of such words is relevant? Quote "Problem here is, in America, were Americans" - What are you on about now?
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I thought this was an adult forum, not a playground. Maybe for some it isnt and certainly if they have to use words like "tits" to describe something, Id suggest its not. I would not do anyone the discourtesy by using such a remark, to me it suggests a disrespect to the readers here whatever their opinion. Thats just me, but you will never be able to justify to me the need to use such words, especially on a forum about IT.
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Quote Diamond "We will all be better off when MS loses more market share to Linux and MAC. That way, MS will be forced to actually change things that need fixing in it's OS, LIKE THE SECURITY/MALWARE problems, instead of making useless unasked for UI and Taskbar changes. Competition and MS losing another 20% or more of the desktop operating system market will be a good thing for consumers, as MS will seen a real need to truely fix problems for consumers."
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And exactly the point Ive made many times in the past, competition (in whatever form) is great for innovation, and if youd cared to pay attention in what Id said before, I actually went one step further than you by saying a Microsoft customer could use an interest in Linux as a way to secure or "haggle" a better/cheaper deal. Thats great for the end-user, whichever platform they settle on.
I have even said, that should Windows 7 turn out to be as great as the initial reports have been, even I would champion it, and if you wish to make comments about what you think is my opinion, please check back on my opinions of XP (which last time I checked was a Microsoft product)

thanks for all this information