A Mac-to-Vista Switcher in Pink
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This weekend, my 13-year-old daughter and I set out to replace her first-generation MacBook. She instead picked a pink Sony VAIO running Windows Vista Home Premium. |
I bought her the MacBook on launch day, May 16, 2006, at one of Apple's two Bethesda, Md., retail stores. The computer came configured with a 2GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 512MB of RAM (which I upgraded to 1GB), 64MB dedicated integrated graphics memory, 60GB hard drive, DVD burner, 802.11b/g wireless and Bluetooth. She does lots of video editing, which was getting increasingly difficult because of the puny hard disk, system RAM and graphics memory.
My daughter also had some interest in Windows Vista because of certain applications not available for Mac OS X. We went to Fashion Valley Mall in San Diego looking at a new MacBook or a pink VAIO VGN-CR290EAP. The VAIO would mean a switch from the Mac. The mall has Apple and Sony Style stores.
Based on value for hardware, the Sony VAIO handily beat the MacBook.
MacBook specs:
13.3-inch glossy display, 1280 x 800 resolution
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
1GB of RAM
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (64MB, shared up to 144MB)
120GB hard drive
Dual-layer DVD burner
Integrated WebCam
802.11 a/b/g/n
Bluetooth
Two USB ports; one FireWire
Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard"
White
$1,299
VAIO VGN-CR290EAP specs:
14.1-inch glossy display, 1280 x 800 resolution
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
2GB of RAM
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (128MB, shared up to 358MB)
200GB hard drive
Dual-layer DVD burner
Integrated WebCam
802.11 a/b/g/n
Bluetooth
Three USB ports; one FireWire
Windows Vista Home Premium
Cosmopolitan pink
$1.319.99
Before Apple switched to Intel processors, this kind of Mac to Windows PC comparison would have been difficult. Oh, how have times changed. While the two computers use the same basic hardware architecture, for an extra $21, the VAIO comes with twice the system and video memory and 80GB more storage capacity. The VAIO's extras appealed to my sense of value; my daughter liked the computer's appearance more than the white MacBook.
Something else: Sony would give up to $319 credit for a trade-in on the MacBook. However, a friend offered $500, removing the trade-in value from consideration.
Initially, my daughter had been thinking about sticking with the Mac and dual-booting Mac OS X and Windows Vista. But the MacBook's hard drive wasn't big enough for her needs or my budget. I was willing to spend $1,400 with tax but no more for this early and ridiculously expensive Christmas present. The preconfigured 120GB would be as much as she could expect from the MacBook.
One 13-year-old girl is by no means a scientific study of Mac OS X compared with Windows Vista. But her thinking is revealing, nevertheless. At no time while evaluating the two platforms did my daughter mention Apple's Leopard as a consideration. She would miss iLife applications but reasoned that iTunes would be enough if necessary. She also worried that "young people think Macs are cool." But how many of her friends would have a pink laptop? I let her make the decision on which computer, with little influence.
Six months earlier, I would have interceded. The Windows Vista experience was broken and Leopard promised so much. But now: Vista delivers a darn good experience, and Leopard isn't such a cool cat after all. Between Leopard and Vista, I would pick Windows.

My daughter chose neither. She ended up with the pink VAIO because she liked the laptop's appearance more than the MacBook; she recognized the better value for base hardware; and she didn't see any huge benefit to Leopard over Vista. Operating system was not much of a consideration at all.
Still, she recognizes that security attacks besiege Windows more than Mac OS X. While I did some basic setup on the VAIO, my daughter used the MacBook to get some new HTML code for her MySpace page. She was concerned about malware pop-ups on many of the sites offering free MySpace layouts. After changing the layout, my daughter boasted that she also had removed the sponsored links from her new MySpace page. I didn't tell her that some of these links pose security problems, so I was surprised.
As for VAIO setup, I took responsibility for e-mail and data migration. My daughter had used Apple's .Mac for mail but would add an @live.com account, too. I considered using Outlook for both e-mail accounts. Instead, I opted for the Windows Live Mail client. I hadn't used the software since beta days a year ago and was uncertain about what to expect. Damn, Windows Live Mail impresses. The user interface is surprisingly clean, base features are robust and there is support for Microsoft's proprietary Hotmail protocol and IMAP (which .Mac offers). If not for Exchange Server, I would dump Outlook and switch to Windows Live Hotmail.
I got a surprise from the VAIO's Internet Explorer 7 settings: AOL was the default and only search provider selected. Google powers AOL Search, which kicked out Live Search on Microsoft's own operating system. I've got this to say to Google and all its wining about Vista, bundled search and so-called anti-competition: Get a freakin' life. If you can't, it's time to index Hell for Google search.
Forty hours into the great Mac-to-Vista switch and my cranky teenager hasn't complained a peep about Windows Vista. That says as much about how little she already misses Leopard.
I considered upgrading Windows to Vista Ultimate but couldn't rationalize the bother. Vista Home Premium already has Media Center, which surpasses Apple's Front Row if for no other reason than the TV capabilities. Right now, we have no television in the apartment. There's a projector for movies, and Media Center on two laptops for that occasional TV watching. The Hollywood writer's strike means an early end to many of this season's shows, so the TV watching is going to get even more occasional.
My daughter did keep her wireless Apple Mighty Mouse. But I'm still on the hook for a set of pink 2.1 computer speakers to match the VAIO laptop. If you know where to find a set...
Related Posts:
- Windows Gets Back to Basic, Microsoft Watch, Nov. 26, 2007
- Vista: One Year Later, Microsoft Watch, Nov. 8, 2007
- The Great Live Land Rush, Microsoft Watch, Nov. 6, 2007
- What's Wrong with Leopard's Spots?, Microsoft Watch, Nov. 6, 2007
- Did Leopard Rush to Make the Holiday Vista Missed?, Microsoft Watch, Nov. 1, 2007
- Security: What Microsoft Can Teach Apple, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 30, 2007
- Leopard Isn't Better than Vista, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 29, 2007
- Why Leopard Is Better than Vista, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 29, 2007
- The Great Double Standard, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 26, 2007
- Apple Is No. 3.; So What?, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 22, 2007
- Vista: Cat-Scratch Fever, Microsoft Watch, Oct. 19, 2007
- Windows Vista Ultimate: Plus or Minus, Microsoft Watch, Sept. 26, 2007
- What Windows Vista Does for Me, Microsoft Watch, Sept. 14, 2007
- Don't Have a WOW, Man, Microsoft Watch, Aug. 28, 2007
- Broken Windows, Microsoft Watch, Aug. 9, 2007
- Cupertino, Start Your Copiers!, Microsoft Watch, June 12, 2007
- The Vista Contradiction, Microsoft Watch, June 4, 2007
- How Does Windows Vista Rate?, Microsoft Watch, May 20, 2007
- Is Vista One Step Ahead?, Microsoft Watch, May 16, 2007
- I Shacked Up with Windows Vista, Microsoft Watch, May 10, 2007


Comments (56)
A top resort in the Philippines is switching from M$ Office to OpenOffice. The primary reason? A singe M$ Office license costs more than all the expenses involved in installing and configuring OpenOffice, as well as re-training nearly 50 employees! The total cost for M$ office licenses for all those users would have been scandalous and impossible to justify especially when OpenOffice does all they need for free (actually, it does MORE than what they need).
I spoke to the resort's HR manager and Controller about this. They understand the compelling business case for switching. The resort may be switching some more servers and desktops to Linux soon (they already have some Linux servers).
No company that is serious about its bottomline can remain ignorant about the benefits of FOSS. Windows and M$ office are bloated, overpriced, and grossly insecure. Promoting these two dinosaurs is a disservice to customers.
Posted by Maddog | December 3, 2007 2:14 AM
Have you looked at the Asus Eee at all? I know it's not in the same league, but it has an interesting combination of features in an easy-to-carry package for a very low price. And it's easier to keep up-to-date with security patches than a Windows machine.
I believe pink is one of the colours available.
Posted by Lawrence D'Oliveiro | December 3, 2007 2:16 AM
Joe,
What exactly was the purpose of this article? That if a 13-yo girl likes a pink computer over a white one then I should, too? Is that the argument you've been reduced to making?
So a little girl whose dad feeds off the Microsoft teat got a PC/Vista instead of a new Mac. Well, sure, daddy can always fix the Vista issues anyway, but why drag your kid into your trolling in the first place?
And can't you ask Microsoft to let you post at least one time without taking a pot shot at Google? I know they want you to take shots at the big G, but you need to let them know that when you do it with every breath it becomes less believable. Tell MS they should leave that stuff to their lower-tier astroturfers, not the high-end guns like yourself. You need to give the appearance of being above the average troll.
This column has officially jumped the shark.
Oh, and your friend got a better deal than your daughter.
Posted by Tom | December 3, 2007 3:37 AM
Joe,
I think there are lesson learn from the story. I am interesting on the progrees, so please update your daugther's story for a week or more after switch to Vista.
Posted by n-blue | December 3, 2007 4:46 AM
Wow. I'm glad Tom's views are very different than mine because I'd feel a little uncomfortable having my opinion touted by someone so full of himself. The vitriol coming out of his keyboard is seething. He really sounds like he's just one step away from tearing into Joe's daughter.
May I ask, what, pray tell, is so wrong with writing an article about the choices of a teenage computer user - a key target demographic of both Sony & Apple? With all the hype Apple is creating around "how stupid & lonely PC guy must be" relative to "how awesome & hip Mac guy is", you'd think it'd be obvious that a 1st hand account of a choice by a 13-year-old adolescent girl that differs from conventional Apple marketing might be an interesting topic to write about: A Pink Vaio running (gasp) Windows Vista beating out the "holy" White Apple Mac? Say it ain't so, Steve Jobs?!?
And seriously: Is one 13-year-old Mac convert that threatening to your little part of the world? Is your insecurity so great that you can't stand to read a piece on a respectable site on the Internet about a single Mac-to-PC switcher - so much so that you just absolutely felt compelled to write a response at 3:37AM in the morning? I program at night. What's your excuse?
Wow. I just went to your blog site. Every post seems to be more of the same hate-filled rhetoric. All that comes to mind, is that with regards to you calling Joe's actions "trolling": Kettle meet pot. Judging by your what I've read from your site, your comment was actually mild.
You represent self-important Apple users around the world very poorly, Tom.
Posted by Bruin | December 3, 2007 5:02 AM
Tom,
Your clearly a fan of Macs so why visit a site designed for those interested in Windows? I see this article more as food for thought than presenting a clear conclusion, which should allow it to make good conversation however you soil the comments section by trying to, once again, make accusations of people being trolls- it seems that can only be said of you.
I personally don't like Google, I agree with what Joe has to say, they whine but in the end they'd do it in a second- should google's website have a live search box on their page too?
A lot fo 13 year old girls would go for Macs nowdays over any laptop, regardless of colour, I am sure if she was faced with other choices of design she could have made the same decision- unless it was white, Apple are the only company that can sell white unless the copmpany's main business is kitchen appliances.
Your attacks contain very little substance, so don't comment on aticles not having "purpose".
Posted by northerngeek | December 3, 2007 5:03 AM
I can only 2nd Tom's comment.
Every time you mention Google, you sound like a hate-filled apple user anno 1996, bemoaning Microsoft about his favourite failing company. Hmm... I guess YOU'RE a sign of the times, Joe.
C'mon tell us once more about how google has contempt for it's users by using the name Android for it's mobile platform, that's one of my all time favourites.
Then again, bottling it all up is not very healthy either and not half as entertaining for us, so rock on buddy!
Posted by Googlatronic | December 3, 2007 5:09 AM
The pink laptop goes nice with the color of her... [Word removed at suggestion of another commenter.]
Posted by Trat | December 3, 2007 9:06 AM
Trat,
That comment is completely out of line. I would request that a moderator delete that comment immediately.
Posted by DoubleJ92 | December 3, 2007 9:24 AM
Joe:
Thanks for the Interesting article. Have computers -- even operating systems -- become such commodities that many now select based on colors? Perhaps this may also bolster desktop-friendly Linux distributions.
Still, you need to explain two points. First, you write: "Six months earlier, ... the Windows Vista experience was broken.... But now: Vista delivers a darn good experience." What has changed in Vista? Did Sony finally ship a computer with working Vista drivers? What about other hardware in your home such as scanners and printers?
Second, you mention that you spent some time configuring security, migrating email, etc. Were you the system administrator for the prior MacBook? Without the benefit of a "genius bar", where is the average Vista home user going to go for assistance with system setup? Most homes don't have an expert like yourself to properly configure the systems. Do they go to Geek Squad or a similar service?
Posted by Greg | December 3, 2007 9:26 AM
Joe:
I liked the article. The funny thing about students under 22 is that they don't really care about operating systems. Hopefully someday this argument about mac/pc/linux will be a thing of the past.
Just curious, what video editing software did you get for your daughter on vista? You mentioned she did a lot of editing. I know Avid free is an option (not a very good one). How will it stack up against iMovie? Or did you purchase Final Cut or Adobe? Software purchases should be included in that price, right?
Posted by Aaron | December 3, 2007 9:51 AM
Your daughter sounds hot.
Posted by Brian Peppers | December 3, 2007 10:50 AM
I think 40 hours of use on the new system will give you a comparison on how discoverable the new system is. However, a good road test would take a month to 6 months. I'd be really happy to see a follow-on article.
Posted by Greg | December 3, 2007 11:05 AM
I have one word of advice for you Joe, when your little girls new Vi$ta computer becomes mildly infected.
And that word is "spybot." Use it, you will need it. Its the best program out there, and a free one too. Go ahead and plug Onecare and Defender all you want to the choir, but it won't save you online, or your little girls computer. Even spybot, is not be enough. Install run, scan, update, imunize, every week, about every good sercurity program out there, and just maybe, it will stay unaffected, for awhile. But then, you can always have M$ send you a new one for testing when it gets too badly infested to use, right?
Windows and Vista is a viral cesspool. I fix them for a living, so I know. Many, many times, the reg is so hosed up that only a complete Repartion, Reformat, and Reinstall, (not to mention reinstalling the Master Boot Record) is the only cheap way to fix a Windows computer.
Posted by chips | December 3, 2007 11:10 AM
What an enlightening article Joe. When you yourself state explicitly in the article that the OS was 'not a consideration' for your daughter, why then exploit her and turn her into a 'switcher' for the purposes of your agenda? And yes, I believe using your 13 yr old daughters decision to pick a pink laptop over a white one as an argument for your underhanded bashing peppered across your post is pretty exploitive and intellectually dishonest. Grow up.
Posted by Anthony | December 3, 2007 11:46 AM
Chips,
I will not agree with your comment. I have been using Windows Vista for over 6 months, I got 4 computers, one with Ultimate and 3 with Enterprise. I do a lot of surf around the Internet, specially with my Laptop (Enterprise), until now, I never had a spyware or virus in any of my computers.
On my other computer, I have a 12 year old brother, I know he clicks whatever he can clicks, but the computer still runs perfectly.
I have no Antivirus or "spybot" installed on any computer. So, I don't think that Joes daugther will have any problem with Vista.
And about a 13year old picking up a pink laptop instead of a Mac (I do love Macs! Specially for design work), is really strange. Now days, all teenagers think that if you own a mac, you are "cool" "rich" and/maybe "popular". So, I don't think her daugther picked the VAIO laptop becuase it was "PINK", my brother would have also picked that laptop (maybe in a blue color) just because of his freaking games (better hardware and more options to install more games/programs)
Posted by Andre | December 3, 2007 12:02 PM
Joe,
Since the old laptop and the new are basically the same hardware specs (2.0 vs 2.2GHz), why not just buy a larger/better 7.2K rpm internal HD, memory upgrade, and an 500-750GB external drive for addtional storage?
Editing myspace videos surely isn't impacted by limitation of onboard video memory.
Also, take a look at these or wraps they come in several colors including pink: Speck Products. Other vendors sell make your own where your girl could design her own laptop casing.
You could have spent a lot less and ended up with a better machine just by doing a few upgrades for ~$350, far less than another $1400.
Posted by Better Idea? | December 3, 2007 12:22 PM
You bought your 13-yo daughter a $1400 laptop to replace her one year-old computer??!! Yikes! Does she know that sodas and laptops do not mix?
If you're serious about the pink speakers, you might like Creative's Vivid 60 Pink or Vivid 80 Pink series.
http://www.compuplus.com/i-Creative-Sound-Blaster-SBS-Vivid-80-Pink-Speakers-51MF1525AA007-1008977~.html?sid=q55p8ca70is6nzr
Posted by Karl | December 3, 2007 12:32 PM
I don't think that could have been a better idea, maybe yes. But comparing the VAIO with the old MacBook.
You could get 4 times more RAM, twice space HDD, double Video memory and a latest and newly "OS". Well also one more USB port and a better wireless card, oh better DVD burner also and a webcam (not a big deal). And you know how kids are, if they want something, they want it "new"
Posted by Andre | December 3, 2007 12:40 PM
Chips:
If you fix them for a living then you should know that if the enduser is at least alittle literate in computers then they will know how to keep their Vista machine free from any viruses or spyware. I've had Vista running on my machine (orginal install)since Nov 06 when RTM was shipped. I have not had a since virus or a bit of spyware at all in what over 13 months now. And guess what software I run, ONECARE. My job requires me to be online probably 99% of my time. Explain that if Onecare and Windows in general is so crappy and insecure.
The clients of yours that have such infected systems must really be porn addicts and open every bit of spam they can find. Seriously. I don't even have a special spyware checker anymore I used to use Adaware on XP. I never installed it on this Vista machine because I haven't seen any thing quirky that would require me to check. Onecare does its thing once a month and I never have a bit problem with it.
So explain why my computer isn't the "cesspool" you describe windows/vista to be? And I'm not a rare case either.
Greg:
I don't know whether you know this or not but MS does send out updates to Vista every month so that means theres been 10 months of updates that Vista has sent out including drivers, performance, reliability, security, etc. So thats how it can go from broken to a good experience. I do admit that Vista was alittle clunky when it wa released but over the months since, it has really grown up and Im even running SP1 now and its even better. So the MAC fanboys can bitch all they want, we can now just throw leopard in their face.
Posted by Matt | December 3, 2007 1:01 PM
Interesting argument about the choice of PC. I think the argument that as OS' mature, there's little to differentiate, rings more and more true, and price might turn out to be the ultimate driver for choice in the end.
And by the way, some of you got a lotta nerve saying those things about his daughter (@Trat). I hope there's a way of banning users from posting...
Posted by EJ | December 3, 2007 1:25 PM
Pink Laptop? In what other colors do they come these days?
Posted by evan | December 3, 2007 2:24 PM
Using a 13 year old girl's colour preference to highlight switching OS's!
Posted by .kvn | December 3, 2007 2:30 PM
You've fallen a long way since your days at Jupiter Research. Going from there to "Microsoft Watch" is an interesting life decision you made (I presume you and not Jupiter made the decision).
IMHO, the value of Leopard and iLife far outweigh the cost of extra memory and hard drive space, in terms of productivity, especially when it comes to video editing. (BTW, I use Windows XP for at least 6 hrs every weekday but I also have a Mac). So as a father, you taught your daughter about the up-front cost (I have a feeling you brought up this hardware value-comparison up first) but failed to teach her about the true cost (overall productivity of the tool) of the decision you let her make. Hope you haven't messed her up for other life decisions that are more important than this.
Posted by mark | December 3, 2007 2:53 PM
I like to think I have a far better grasp of technology than a 13 year old child. But I understand a father wanting to please his daughter. Personally, I don't care if she prefers a PC over a Mac, so long as Apple stays in business -- because I greatly prefer the Mac. And I can't see that ever changing.
Posted by Mac Rules | December 3, 2007 3:15 PM
Steve Ballmer hopes your daughter represents a trend and not a random incident.
http://tinyurl.com/366fpu
A 3+% swing in OS market share since Vista was introduced must be setting off alarm bells somewhere in Redmond.
Posted by Jayse J | December 3, 2007 3:48 PM
The first generation MacBooks were 'Core Duo' not 'Core 2 Duo'.
Posted by Andre Da Costa | December 3, 2007 3:57 PM
Rubbish
Posted by Reader | December 3, 2007 5:05 PM
Cute story...
Chips: I have been using Intel computers since the pre-Windows days of DOS, and have never had a successful virus/worm attack against any of my systems. All it took was current antivirus software, and a little common sense. I currently use Norton Internet Security 2008 for Windows.
Posted by JohnJ | December 3, 2007 6:15 PM
The gist of it was that his 13 daughter liked pink and this wannabe columnist wants to make it into a mac vs. Vista article.
Joe Wilcox is more like a troll than a genuine columnist.
Posted by speedstr | December 3, 2007 6:28 PM
Macs are the best. Windows sucks! Apple makes the best hardware AND software on earth. Only morons and/or 13 yr old girls buy PCs. Bill Gates NEVER invented any technology, he stole or bought everything Microsoft claims.
There, Matt...is that enough stereotypical Mac Fanboy rant to justify your prejudice of all Mac owners? Most of us really don't care whether people use a Mac or PC, that's why it's called a "Personal Computer".
About the only thing worse than a Mac Fanboy is a MS Fanboy bitching about it!
Posted by D9 | December 3, 2007 7:03 PM
My wife has a nephew who is disgusted that his 2 Gig Laptop can't run Vista - it accesses the drive constantly. He is a computer programmer who makes a six figure salary. I think he is a likely candidate to be a Mac switcher, or at the very least, 'upgrade' back to XP. I wonder if your daughter would mind an inconvenience such as this, or would the power of pink still be keeping her happy six months from now?
Posted by Tony Martin | December 3, 2007 7:17 PM
Just curious what these "certain applications not available for Mac OS X" are? Chances are there the app is available in another shape or form.
I also found it funny how you mention how unimportant the OS was in her decision, and yet you manipulate the scenario to make it a PC vs Mac article.
All I got from this is that Apple should make a pink version of the MacBook for all the liitle 13 year old girls out there. They would've had a repeat sale.
Posted by Ominx | December 3, 2007 7:24 PM
so in spite of having video applications as the top priority, you completely ignored the cost of replacing the free (and excellent) ilife suite which contains imovie and idvd with whatever crap (i'm using my nice word here) that will run on vista?
the macbook would have run vista just fine either dual boot or via vmware given just a slight memory bump in the form of just 1x1gb chip costing under $25.
don't take my point wrong: i like vista. but i also like being able to run mac osx and 64-bit ubuntu and 64-bit xp, all of which i can do on my mac pro or even my low-end macbook.
does the little girl have a mother who would have objected to this anti-feminine lesson of choosing fashion over function and cost?
/guy
Posted by Guy Teague | December 3, 2007 7:59 PM
Good luck with that Vaio-unless Sony has improved build quality in the last 6 months, or you go over it once a week with a screwdriver, it'll be losing screws, keys, and parts in 6 months. She would have done better and you would have saved $1000 by installing a new 7200-rpm 200 GB Seagate Momentus and 2 GB of RAM in the Mac and then formatted with two partitions adding XP Pro to one partition and Leopard to the other. XP Pro knocks the socks off Vista Home (described in the business as a chrome-plated t*rd) in both speed and app compatibility. Leopard knocks both into a cocked hat with immunity to virii, etc. In 6 months, post again about how many times you've had to delouse, reformat and reinstall Vista Home, then we'll know the true cost benefit ratio!
Posted by Robert Hancock | December 3, 2007 8:03 PM
Why did you not just buy a 200 or 250 GB HD to replace it, and then an external case to keep on using the 80? (or better yet, buy them together, clone the 80 to the 250, and then swap the two drives?) It takes a total of 1 minute to swap drives in the MacBooks, and 2 GB of RAM these days is $50, which could be swapped at the same time as the HD?
Seems pretty silly to me to buy a new machine with nearly identical specs for your daughter. Sounds like you spoil her a hell of a lot.
If you are comparing specs, you should add:
Sony has memory stick port, modem.
MacBook has 24x96 audio in out, 2 megapixel camera, 1 GB Ethernet, 6 pin FireWire that can provide power, longer battery life, remote.
Sony also needs a software upgrade to support mediacenter like the Mac has.
Bottom line, price of the two is the same, MAYBE a little in favor of the Mac once you add in all the features it has vs those the Sony has....
BUT
As a parent and your daughter 13, you can buy it for her at the stdent discount and shave another 100-150 off the price....
Again though, Why exactly are you spoiling your daughter like this? Do you really think the CPU difference will make much of a difference, and just getting a new HD was out of the question? Do you know how easy it is to swap HDs in those MacBooks?
Posted by Eytan | December 3, 2007 8:10 PM
Wow, I never realized that a thirteen-year-old girl's computer choice would be such a threat to you people. I get the feeling you folks would not be satisfied unless Joe browbeat his daughter into buying the Mac, to satisfy you all. Peer pressure is the correct form of pressure, after all. From my reading, Joe didn't push her one way or another, which is how it should be. If you are so wound up that you take offense in the purchasing choices of people whom you don't even know, which will effect you in no way whatsoever, you need to get a grip. Your priorities are messed up!
Posted by Wes | December 3, 2007 8:39 PM
I suppose that is she had switched from pink to white, it would have been alright?
You guys are going to keep me away from using another Mac.
Posted by xMan | December 3, 2007 8:41 PM
Bruin,
You ask me what’s wrong with an article about the choices of teenage girls. I answer nothing in general. But specifically, teenage girls do not typically drop $1,400 on a laptop, parents do (which is what Joe did). Thus the main “point” of the article was useless (except it gave Joe another chance to take a shot at Google, of course).
You ask me if one 13-yo is threatening to my world? Dude, JOE’S the one who wrote the article. I simply responded. My response made it clear that in fact posting about the computer choice of one 13-yo girl (whose father writes a biased site called Microsoft Watch, let’s not forget) was pointless. The primary point of my response is that one 13-yo girl’s decision does not a post make. This is especially true when you consider her choice was not even technical, it was based on color. Joe’s post, in fact, was silly.
There is no hate-filled rhetoric on my site at all. None. Zero.
I do not represent Apple users. I represent one man who found this particular Microsoft Watch post to be very silly, and a bit of a desperate reach for Joe. So I commented on it.
Northerngeek,
I am a fan of technology. I use Windows every single day, without fail. Yes, I like Macs too, and have one such machine in my home with two Windows laptops. I come to this site because until about 5-6 weeks ago it took a pretty critical look at Microsoft. Until last night I LINKED to it from my site! It’s an MS fan site, but it typically did not go overboard, and tended to ask good questions. All that changed towards the end of October, and my comments here have called Joe on it. This latest article was clearly over the top, hence my comment that it’s now officially jumped the shark.
Thinking of the article as “food for thought” does indeed put it in a different perspective, and I appreciate your view of the situation.
My comment was not an attack, and there can be no reasonable exchange as long as the ones being “challenged” simply fall back on that argument. It’s easy to avoid addressing a critique if one simply chooses to call it an “attack”. Makes it pretty easy to avoid backing up one’s words.
In that vein I could have called your and “Bruin’s” posts “attacks”, but I chose instead to respond.
Posted by Tom | December 3, 2007 8:45 PM
Wes:
The real threat is that this article is saying that the "OS" is not that important afterall: You're using Word, or Excel, not Leopard or Vista.
Or course, saying something like this will upset any MacUser since it's the only thing left to differenciate a MacIntel from a normal PC.
If you remove this differenciation, you're left with nothing! I was going to say "build quality" but this has long gone down the drain - let see... HD problem, VidCard Problem, LCD Problem, Keyboard problem, lock-up problem / OS problem!
Nah, what's helping Apple is how they are doing a magnificient job with product placement - seen any Mac in a movie latelly? These guys are good. And of course, this works with the youngster.
Earing about a little girl that accept to lose is coolness of a Logo (Mac are cool) for the coolness of a color (pink's rock), I don't see much difference to be honnest.
Posted by xMan | December 3, 2007 8:56 PM
Time that Trat and Brian Peppers are the detritus ( Matter produced by the decay or disintegration of an organic substance) of the human race , I hope you have learned the lesson Joe, it's don't exhibit children (remember; jungle= danger.)
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"I've got this to say to Google and all its wining about Vista, bundled search and so-called anti-competition: Get a freakin' life. If you can't, it's time to index Hell for Google search."
“Mac users have long lived in a la-la land of enchantment”
Funny, what can I say? If creating controversy let me buy to $1400 laptop for me daughter....
Yes, I know too:
“ There wasn't too much Microsoft product love to be found on Microsoft Watch. In October, I started lightening up the tone........
"Some Microsoft Watch commenters could see the change in tone and asked what was going on.....
But ,please not so obvious….it could be nice some of balance.
The people could think that the whole thing was only about of get readers and MS attention.
Posted by Marco | December 3, 2007 9:04 PM
This guy's story proves nothing about educated decisions in computer purchasing, especially if he is able to find deals on upgrades. As a owner of both Mac and PC, these are the flaws I noticed:
1)Upgrade the mac to 2GB of RAM and a bigger hard disk. I got a 250GB SATA for about $140 2 weeks ago...Beats $1300 on a laptop.
2)Don't like leopard? Well since you bought a "launch day" macbook, roll back to Tiger with the disc you got with it.
3)144MB shared video max a problem? How much memory do you have left from an OS that needs 1GB to run at all, after your REQUIRED security software sucks down its share? The new video memory (which is still shared btw) just hit the minimum.
4)If this was a Windows XP machine that was purchased it would have been a little more justified, but exactly what video editing software doesn't run on the mac?
5)I have run into driver support problems with Leopard, but exactly what problems did he experience? None that were important enough to list it would seem.
Congratulations, you just dropped $1000 more than a Pink Speck case, 2GB of Ram and a 250GB HDD could have got you.
Posted by Michael | December 3, 2007 9:36 PM
Wow, lucky girl!
Posted by Partners in Grime | December 3, 2007 9:55 PM
Unbeleivable how this guys is playing with your soul. You're all acting as a muppet. Losen up!
Posted by xMan | December 3, 2007 10:20 PM
No comment.
Well just one; they put pink lipstick on a pig.
Hence pink is for girls and blue is for boys.
Posted by n0neXn0ne | December 4, 2007 12:13 AM
Silly article.
You care about value? How's this for value:
Spend $1300 to replace a 1 year old computer that could be upgraded with RAM and a new HD for $400. Or could even boot natively into Vista for another $100.
Send me your Macbook, I'll paint it pink for only $500. It's the value deal of the century.
Posted by Tim | December 4, 2007 10:06 AM
I wouldn't spend $1400 for a portable for myself, let alone a 13-yo. Howerver, if I was going to spend the money, I think I would have her kept the MacBook for a portable and spent the $900 difference on a real computer for video editing. I found this entry level server at TigerDirect for $699. Add in a nice monitor and you're still within your budget. Install a 64-bit Linux OS and some good video editing software and you're good to go. A system like this ought to give your 13-yo awesome street cred!
Visionman AMD Opteron Workstation - AMD Opteron 1212 2.0Ghz, Dual Core, 2GB ECC DDR2-667, (2) 250GB SATA-II/RAID 1, Quadro NVS 210S, 20X Dual Layer DVDRW w/ Lightscribe, Gigabit LAN, No OS
Posted by Karl | December 4, 2007 11:29 AM
I agree with Tom.
Article has no purpose and is poorly written: My daughter this,... my daughter that,... Take an English class and stop writing stupid articles.
Posted by bagle | December 4, 2007 3:40 PM
Stop the press - a 13 year old girl has ditched Apple for a Sony Vaio! I can hear the bean counters at Apple worrying now - how will they survive the festive season?
What a pathetic, irrelevant, badly written article.
Not that I would question the opinion of someone who has probably only just stopped watching "Hannah Montana" in any way shape or form but re-he-heally this comment is staggering:
"Forty hours into the great Mac-to-Vista switch and my cranky teenager hasn't complained a peep about Windows Vista. That says as much about how little she already misses Leopard."
Like she knows the difference between Vista and Leopard and furthermore how is she going to be doing anything that will make her see the benefit of either OS over the other.
Regardless of whatever attempts the "writer" has used to justify a Sony Vaio with Windows Vista over a MacBook with Leopard, the simple fact is she's a girl. She likes pink.
Get a grip you self obsessed loser.
Posted by Angry Fat Man | December 4, 2007 3:59 PM
This comparison of XP and Vista makes interesting reading:
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/12/04/vista_vs_xp_tests/
Posted by Robert Hancock | December 4, 2007 4:42 PM
"Stop the press - a 13 year old girl has ditched Apple for a Sony Vaio! I can hear the bean counters at Apple worrying now - how will they survive the festive season?
What a pathetic, irrelevant, badly written article."
:-)
Posted by reflections | December 4, 2007 8:19 PM
this reads more like a blog entry than an article.
being a switcher myself, i was originally interested in reading this because it said a 13yo switched from Mac to PC, especially considering that young people do in fact think Macs are cooler.
but when you really read it again, it looks like you turned your harmless blog entry into "work" and ended up with the above comments. do you have some sort of post quota to fill? it would've looked less sneaky if you segued into the comparison with the phrase "her choice made me think about...". i would've accepted that.
all in all, she didn't switch from a Mac to a PC, she switched from a white laptop to a pink one, and ended up with a different OS and applications.
Posted by ikyouCrow | December 4, 2007 8:22 PM
Wow!
All of you O/S fan boys are amazing. You read an article that goes against your beliefs regarding a damn O/S and you get nuts. You fan boys are almost as bad as the same people who do things to others because their religion is different from yours... we call them fanatics and/or terrorists. Perhaps you should not knock what you haven't tried. Windows is not perfect, either is Linux or the Mac. These are available so people have a choice. Also, I think Mac users fail to realize that Mac operating systems only need to be able to run on Mac hardware. Windows and Linux runs on all other different types hardware and computer configurations and the infamous "BSOD" are almost always a result of faulty drivers from 3rd party vendors and the days of "BSOD's" have been nil since XP SP2 came out. Linux has similar problems with drivers and the availability of drivers is much better than it was even 6 months ago.
Vista, for all of the bad press it has received, has been very solid and stable for me. I have an AMD64 running at 2.2 GHz. 1.4 Gig ram and a 256 MB Graphics card. I run windows built-in firewall and AVG free anti-virus. I also update my HOSTS file and run Spyware Blaster monthly. I have had no problems with viruses for spyware. It's very secure and running with standard user privileges is no different than running Linux, Leopard or Tiger. All of these O/S give some sort of warning and ask for permission prior to performing some task requiring higher privileges.
An O/S is a choice people. Do you fan boys also rip anyone who isn't driving the same make and model car as you? I am also in the computer business, most computers that I work on ARE Windows machines. Do I blame Microsoft for some of these problems? Hell yes! If vulnerability causes my computer to become infected, then yes, it’s the O/S’s fault and Microsoft should issue a patch. But, Users should get much of the blame and I tell my clients this. Don't blame the O/S because you clicked the pop-up without reading the warning first or because you have ignored the yellow warning in the taskbar telling you that updates are available and to install them. What the hell ever happened to common sense? Oh, wait... it's easier to blame the big software company instead of taking responsibility for our own actions. Our actions result in consequences whether it’s a computer or life.
If you hate another O/S, DON'T USE IT! If you need to rant about it, perhaps you have too much free time on your hands or need a real job. Go volunteer your time to a charity, travel to a 3rd world country... perhaps you will see just how fortunate you really are to have a damn choice... even a computer O/S! Or, go start your own country of nothing but Mac users, Windows users or Linux users and leave the rest of us in peace!
Nuff Said!
Posted by Brad | December 4, 2007 9:37 PM
Brad,
"If you need to rant about it, perhaps you have too much free time on your hands or need a real job."
And here you are, ranting.
"Nuff said!"
Indeed.
Posted by Tom | December 4, 2007 10:56 PM
Hmm. Choose a laptop because of it's colour. This strikes me as irrelevant nonsense.
You could have turned her white laptop into a green one by upgrading the hard disk for $200.
Sorry, it's about the most pathetic article I've read in a long time. Is it a deliberate troll?
Posted by Glenn | December 5, 2007 2:45 PM
If you want, I found this site that says that there's a pink MacBook Air available.
Posted by Ana | March 25, 2008 12:37 PM