With all due respect
a release candidate of a service pack
wont confince companies to upgrade their xp machines to desktop

In my company we will wait for the final release of vista SP1 and even then i'm afraid we can still not upgrade due to so many incompatibilties (drivers, apps etc etc)

I know those things are not all microsofts fault (like 3th party drivers or apps). But still most companies use 3th party drivers and apps and
dont want to upgrade to vista AND to new drivers AND to new versions of 3th party apps

So my guess, it will take more then vista SP1
before companies will switch

I don't want Vista SP1, but I'd be interested in XP SP3 because I "upgraded" from Vista to XP. =)

If you are using the RTM version of Vista, I would recommend the service pack. It makes the system more responsive and stable in many areas.

I've been accused of running a pump and dump scam.

None of us are trying to pump anything. What we're trying to do is to inform a clearly ignorant mass about new technology contained in VCSY patents that Microsoft clearly said they had until 2004 and then shut up about and are only now promising the same kinds of things promised during that time but never being delivered.

Our assumption is that Microsoft is a thief trying to wait out VCSY so MSFT can take that intellectual property and enrich itself. We see it's a business method approved of by Microsoft shareholders who see nothing wrong with MSFT taking the intellectual property of others an passing that property off as a Microsoft "innovation".

Precedents exist and we don't see any Microsoft shareholders pressing MSFT to adhere to fair practice.

Just because MSFT comes out with them, doesn't mean anyone has to evaluate or install them. What would you prefer, that they don't ship them? Personally, I like knowing they're there and I can take advantage of them when I chose. Plus, MSFT actually getting stuff out the door is a positive change.

I'm taking advantage of it. This time of year is a bit slower for our business and it gives me time to test it on my system before I even think about unleashing any of it on the rest of the network.

release candidates of service packs. Ah-ha. No. Wouldnt touch em with a bargepole. By definition - they're not complete.

Why waste time with 'Close' ?

And secondly. I suspect the timing is more to do with showing customers that something actually got shipped this year.

--* Bill

Yep, both SP3 for XP and SP1 for Vista are running on two different machines.

But then, I like to be first in line for taking those computer "risks" and I have good images backed up just in case.

SP1 for XP is not thrilling. It likely fixed some things, but there are no thrillers that I've seen yet.

SP1 for Vista offers faster copy and paste now, (but I use Robocopy or Syncback anyway, which were always fast)

Aside from another 500 mb of unknown things added to the OS, I've not seen anything exciting about the SP1.

By the way, XP's service pack drops a huge 400 mb file in Windows (the usual thing with dollar signs that I deleted) and it created a folder called "ServicePackFiles" which I cleared the contents with no bad effect.

Release candidates are great for the developer but such an onslaught makes it hard to verify so many of them.

The actual released SP - One should update, as soon as possible. Especially if you have an issue that has long plagued you. It like necessary meds, take 2 in the morning and call Me tomorrow if the problem continues. Why would one wait to fix a problem if it has been an issue all along.

If your system has no issues and you do not care to be disturbed or you tend to find yourself in deeper trouble after updating when you are not in need, then just like any medicine, don't take it, unless absolutely necessary!

If I understood the news recently, Vista SP1 isn't REALLY due out until early next year. What's there now is RC - Release CANDIDATE. I'm with Bill Buchan on this one. There's NO WAY I'd deploy an RC! And the final isn't due until AFTER the holidays, so what's with the "window of opportunity" bit?

Any shop actively considering deploying the SP would have already been doing testing and the RC is just another step on the testing. The activities (or lack thereof) on the rest of the network don't matter.

I'm personally anxious for Vista SP1 since it fixes the file transfer throughput that Vista managed to break. I'm running Vista 64 as the first 64 bit Windows platform worth considering. The other 64 bit platforms seem to be orphan children or knock-offs of the "real" 32 bit platform. At least Vista ships with BOTH 64 and 32 licensed and enabled for installation.

XP is working just fine. I have regularily updated the first two SP's and subsquent updates.
WHEN and if SP3 is issued can I delete all the previous updates?( the list is long )The file numbers issued by MS are not only similar but identical to several previously issued files. How do I fix this?

Joe;

I would of been very interested in this service pack when I had Vista on my grand computer. I've been very patient with Microsoft on Vista, and for my business I even got my Vista Certification. I've been with Microsoft through thick and thin over the years, well at least back to the year 1986.

Unfortunately Joe, I cannot no longer go with Vista 32 or the 64 bit platform. The other day, I had enough about Vista's incompatibility with itself and not to mention the latest software and development platforms. Yes, even in the latest Adobe CS3 suite, nothing quite worked the way it was suppose to and to the hell with the Microsoft Vista's disk backup crap, and to say the least, the Vista Disk Defragmentor. All the extras in Vista, well it just isn't worth it and I would label it something like crapware.

Even my QuickBooks Premier ran like crap in Vista with the latest patches from Intuit.

Nuking my system, and removing the stinking operating system that began breaking apps, critical backups and fighting with Symantec EndPoint 11.0 software ended abruptly when I UPGRADED my system to Windows XP Professional. Not only did I notice that NVidia's latest updates for XP synced in my dual HD 21" Landscape monitors where I didn't have to fight with Vista on color correction and on top of things, loosing my custom settings every time I rebooted my computer.

Yes, infact after doing a complete system backup utilizing Genie Soft's Backup Professional 8.0 without a hitch in XP, I installed Office 2007 SP1 also without a hitch. Yes life is grand, life is good without Vista plaguing my system resorces and stability issues.

I am telling you it took 5 years to have Microsoft get XP where it is today, and far less time from Redmond to get W2K Professional right. Yes indeed, I run W2K Advance server on my web development, and my sql development boxes without so much as a burp from the servers.

I also like to say, why would I want to downgrade my servers with any new release from Redmond, I cannot afford to go down with lackluster operating systems that do very little but barely operate on a good day.

I can go on about my year long findings of why good people need to stay the (insert colorful verb and ajectives here) Microsoft's so called latest version of an operating system. Also, I want you to know, so far Office 2007 SP1 seems to work alright.

whats wrong with releasing a few service packs at the same time...?

http://www.vistaknowledge.com/vista-hd-wallpapers/Windows_Vista_Ultimate_HD_Wallpaper_by_sliderPL.jpg

I don't trust Microsoft at all. Their Vista OS is a piece of crap. I've had numerous problems throughout the year, including wireless networking flakiness, application incompatibilities, and even a failed keyboard!

Just today, I picked up a new (Logitech) keyboard because the Microsoft USB keyboard that I got for my brand new Vista machine began to exhibit very strange behaviour. The 'w' and 'k' keys would intermittently stop responding to key presses. It's not a hardware issue because it is highly unlikely that *two* keys would fail simultaneously. So I think it's a driver issue. And being a Microsoft keyboard, of course it's a Microsoft driver bug!

Also, I'm very dependent on the video editing program, Video Edit Magic, from Deskshare. This app has never worked right under Vista, even though Deskshare insists it's certified to work with the OS.

So, no, I won't be taking my chances with SP1 RC.

And, in the past 15 minutes, Vista has actually blue-screened on me TWICE! Why? What did I do???

This is so frickin' infuriating.

I've used XP for 6 years, and in all that time XP has blue-screen just once. But in the last 15 minutes? Twice!

Vista is extremely unstable.

Richard ENG the Vista in very stable windows. I think its over an year but i did not not face any problem may be its hardware problem.

I'm taking advantage of it. This time of year is a bit slower for our business and it gives me time to test it on my system before I even think about unleashing any of it on the rest of the network.