Windows Live Gets More Lively
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News Commentary. Early this morning, Microsoft formally unveiled the major deliverables for what has been called Windows Live Wave 3. |
Microsoft is building on principles first articulated in 2005. In Washington, D.C., I remember meeting several MSN product managers who laid out a simple but profound approach: Connect people to whom they know. Recognizing that most blogs and photo shares wouldn't be seen by most people, Microsoft started building infrastructure that would extend relationships. The vast Internet might not care about your blog, but your friends or family certainly might.
Microsoft is moving its current Windows Live Wave 3 beta through a rolled-out release. The updated service further extends concepts of connecting you to the people that you know. Execution hasn't been easy for Microsoft because its services aren't centralized. Social networking services Facebook and MySpace are self-contained. I've often described Facebook as being like an operating system in the cloud.
For the last few weeks, I've participated in a Windows Live private beta that has been hugely enlightening. In fact, I don't see how this blog post could have been rightly written without participation in the private beta. Somehow, Microsoft has pulled together disparate services so that they feel more like a closed network like Facebook. The social benefits are there, and many Facebook similarities, without much of the baggage.

Live navigation toolbar with customized theme (left side).
Something shocking: Microsoft has finally created something worthy of the Web 2.0 seal of approval, even as that name falls out of favor. But the concepts remain. I've got more to share on good Web 2.0 citizenry in a few paragraphs. It's because of the surprising Web services experience that this post will focus on Windows Live in the browser rather than from client software. (Please, pardon the screenshots; I didn't want to do full page views that revealed information about other testers. Generic screenshots are available at eWEEK.com.)
From Live to the Living
My experience started from a beta home page, which is Facebook-like in social features but not in layout or presentation. There Microsoft offers a fairly central place for accessing numerous and disparate Live services, including Hotmail and Office Live. The home page is information central. From there, you also connect to your network and to groups.
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The network approach differs from Facebook. The rival social networking service decides the broader networks, to which you can participate within limits. I lived in the Washington, D.C., metro area until October 2007. Facebook will let me be in either the San Diego or Washington network. Not both.
On Windows Live you are the network. Keeping with Microsoft's approach to relationships, everything starts from the user as the center, from which circles of relationships extend outward. Like Facebook, Microsoft provides information about what people in your network are doingfrom your home page.

Home page header with customized photos (right side).
New feature Windows Live Groups extends those relationships further. Many of the features available to you as an individual user are available to people in the same group, such as calendars, photos and files (from Windows Live SkyDrive). Of course, content is stuff created within the group context; Microsoft plans for groups to be 20 people or less in size. These Microsoft developers crack me up. The URL for Windows Live Calendar contained "dogfood." The term refers to unreleased software that Microsoft uses.
The home page is customizable, but within reasonably defined limits. I can't say how they'll expand later on. Across the top of the home page, Microsoft extends a navigation motif introduced earlier. Items: Home, Profile, People, Mail and Photos plus More and MSN with submenus.
Microsoft has put Spaces in a submenu, which really is sensible. Two reasons: I'm no fan of Spaces as a blogging service, and most Spaces blogs are photo galleries. The Live Photos page eliminates the need for Spaces photo galleries. Microsoft has by no means given up on Spaces, which is a service for which the company continues development. But Microsoft recognizes how important photos are as part of any social network and online social relationship. The Photos page makes available images in full quality (no downsampling), and they're stored on SkyDrive, whose capacity Microsoft boosts from 5GB to 25GB.
On Monday, Chris Jones, Microsoft's corporate vice president of Windows Live Experience Program Management, and I chatted about the new service. He spent quite awhile talking about photos and how often people share them by e-mail. The company is trying to embrace the behavior with new Hotmail capabilities, while making photo sharing easier and more meaningful from the new Live home and Photos pages. The focus on photos is right on, I say.
Becoming a Web 2.0 Citizen
Now about Windows Live as the good Web 2.0 citizen: remarkable, shocking. Beat me with a stick so I wake up from the dream. No surprise, for Windows Live client software the choices are Windows and Windows. But on the Web, the services break away from their Windows chains. I found the Windows Live experience on a Mac running Safari to be about equal to Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 on a Vista PC. Get this: I used the service from my iPhone, too (some features didn't work, though). Windows Live Spaces still has vestiges of Windows legacy, but there's a freshness everywhere else. Even home page customization features, which I was sure would be Mac incompatible, worked just fine. Please, wake me up!

Live Photos page, with pic of my new bicycle.
The best part of Live's Web 2.0 citizenship: what Microsoft calls "Web Activities," which really is broad feed support. Pick a service. Twitter? WordPress? They're there. Microsoft claims feeds from more than 50 companies. I didn't see that many. The larger list includes Flickr, LinkedIn, Pandora and Photobucket. Tempering my excitement, I noticed that in the private beta Microsoft exposed many more Live services than those from third parties.
I asked Chris how Microsoft views Windows Live in context of people using more walled services like Facebook and MySpace. "We hope that Windows Live will be a real complement for them," he said. That's a surprising answer because my expectation would be more "instead of." Maybe there's something pragmatic here. There's a limit to the number of social networking services that someone can realistically use regularly. Mmm, Chris' sentiment is nice, but I didn't see Facebook support in the private beta.
But Microsoft has observedand it's my observation, toothat "people use more than one social networking service to connect" to friends and family, Chris said. "We looked at that as a real opportunity for us to bring something [different] to market. We're really not believers in the walled garden approach."
If more Microsoft-centricity is comingand it might bebundling would be with Windows 7, I predict. If not there, then nowhere.
Microsoft hopes that the new features will expose people to its services. "Our starting point are people who use one of the services already," Chris told me on Monday. Microsoft is betting that as existing users use the services, they will expose features to friends or family. For example, Microsoft has enhanced e-mail capabilities around photo sharing. Every time someone sends out a photo, it publicizes the tools, he said. "They'll ask, 'How did you do that?'"
My early reaction is surprisingly positive, and I can't say that the two earlier Live Waves impressed me. Microsoft had the right concepts, but marginally executed on them. Wave 3 feels different and may follow the old axiom that Microsoft gets things right on the third version. The private beta was very fastsurprisingly so. Response was quicker than running desktop applications in Windows. That said, the public Windows Live Wave 3 release will be the test. Microsoft will roll out new services over the coming weeks and into early 2009. Can Microsoft data centers handle the load? The answer is probably a topic of another blog post.
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Comments (15)
Sounds like yet another perennial beta
You wrote "Response was quicker than running desktop applications in Windows."
What speed is your 'net link - I'll bet my life savings that your not running a satellite service (512K/64K, with the attendant propagation delays). Yet another example of metro-parochialism - you lot really need to get out more often.
Posted by Philip Daniels | November 13, 2008 12:42 AM
Response of gmail was better than outlook atleast 2 years ago... Microsoft is catching up now...
Still a long way to go...
Posted by Mugunth | November 13, 2008 12:58 AM
Microsoft don't need to grab the market share already occupied by Facebook or MySpace... but simply need to keep pushing add on services via this and through Windows 7...
This potentially can be game changing for Microsoft which traditionally isn't the first to innovate but in most time, the one to last the longest or at least grabbed significant share after a long while through sheer cash injection into something they focus on.
I see this as more a direct threat to Google and its service.
It's getting more interesting in the social cloud now...
Posted by Mike Cherng | November 13, 2008 1:35 AM
What happened to the short posts?
Posted by cargool | November 13, 2008 6:49 AM
Joe, I like the longer posts. I like a little more meat on the bones.
I'm not a very social creature, so much of the social networking is lost on me. But I am a developer, so when you say Microsoft is becoming a good Web 2.0 citizen, I become interested. I'm curious if you've had any experience with IE6 or IE7 with any of your Live experiences.
I have been anti Microsoft because Microsoft has been anti the rest of the world. They have continued to re-write their own standards and developers have had to continue to re-write their software. This reached a tipping point with IE6, and some developers are saying, "We can't afford to re-write our apps".
Microsoft needs to make a clean break from the past, it can be best described as a hairball. They need to offer a solid foundation that will not change for change sake. Enhance it all they want, but what I wrote yesterday better carry forward without change. That will leave me time to enhance and add value to my application, not continually re-write it.
Posted by Dave Lindhout | November 13, 2008 9:21 AM
One slight correction. Dogfood refers not necessarily to Beta software, but internally developed software that is used by the employees prior to opening it up to the outside world, as in "eating your own dogfood."
Posted by Welby | November 13, 2008 10:00 AM
@Dave Lindhout, what you mention is the main force driving me away from Microsoft products and their whole development stack.
This "planned obsolescence" is simply not acceptable for me. Microsoft has excelled in developing user friendly interfaces to develop applications. And protuno diamo hits it square on when he mentions the issue between "arcane languages" and SMEs. The usability of a tool is as much a power feature as its strength to solve the problem at hand. But it all goes to waste if you have to "retrain yourself" and "recode your applications" every 3 years or so.
Non Microsoft solutions particularly open source solutions have a feature of increasing, not swapping, knowledge and experience over time. Of course they are not exempt from failure. I've had my fair share of issues with monolithic, heavyweight and impractical non-Microsoft solutions. But they seem to be less and further apart and there is always a simpler alternative close by. With Microsoft and once you're on their software stack bandwagon, it's either their way or the highway.
Posted by Gerardo Tasistro | November 13, 2008 11:40 AM
"Something shocking: Microsoft has finally created something worthy of the Web 2.0 seal of approval..."
It's nice to see that MS is finally getting it's act together.
Posted by JohnJ | November 13, 2008 11:43 AM
@ Philip Daniels:
You are mistaking Google with Microsoft. Microsoft delivers, Google just experiments. I hope they upgrade Live Spaces though, I have been a loyal user of the service, regardless friends have pestered me to move to WordPress. But I believe there is potential there.
Joe, the 25 GB storage increase seems to be either a feature of the beta or something for a Windows Live Plus option. I still only see 5 GBs of storage on my live drive, which I don't have a problem with. I personally wouldn't mind if it was also used to store my Hotmail email too.
Posted by Andre Da Costa | November 13, 2008 2:06 PM
@Everyone
Quote Andre Da Costa "Microsoft delivers, Google just experiments. "
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And those experiments have made it far more successful than Microsoft, hence why MS is so interested in its market share. (certainly in the realms of search)
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We've seen your blog Andre, its filled with spam that MS cant block. It so bad even you have made comments to fellow bloggers. I think MS has a lot to learn from Googles strategy, and as someone said before "Microsoft arrives late at the party and undressed"
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Akismet is far superior to anything MS has, and that shows when Wordpress blogs are not infested with the spam that yours is. I would suggest that anyone that wants a spam free blog should consider Wordpress
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Again, another example of MS chasing someone elses example.
Posted by Goblin | November 13, 2008 2:49 PM
Goblin, I am fascinated by the interest you have in me. Sorry, I don't sign autographs.
Posted by Andre Da Costa | November 13, 2008 4:12 PM
Aww thats a shame. I was hoping for one.
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Moving swifty on, I will explain why I have an interest in you. You will notice that Jess has admitted working for MS, they dont get a hard time do they? Would you like to know why?
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Because I believe that you are either here on the request of MS or some deluded sense of loyalty to the them. Your posts are adverts and they seek to fudge the facts as much as convince people they are fact.
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You dont answer the difficult questions where MS is proven to be lacking, and instead you go down the route of trying to stiffle opinion with another advertisement.
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But it goes deeper than that. It wasnt more than a few weeks where another user has shown a more unpleasant side of you, one which seeks to insult when they are not getting their way.
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You constantly contradict yourself, falling in and out of love with Joe on a regular basis, depending on what he says about MS, and your statistics, well, anyone with GOOGLE can disprove them, I dont need to argue.
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I didnt think you would need me to make a posting report on you Andre, as I thought you were able to read what people say to you. Obviously I was wrong. I hope you now know why I have an interest in you.
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Any questions please just ask. (You notice something strange here Andre? I ask you a question you ignore, you ask me and I answer straight away. Now how about you answer some of the questions Ive put to you 4 or 5 times?)
Posted by Goblin | November 13, 2008 4:28 PM
Did you really buy a Masi fixed gear, Joe? If so, cool.
Posted by Christopher Huck | November 13, 2008 5:05 PM
@Andre, Microsoft experiments too. It just labels their point releases differently. For example "Vista"
Posted by Gerardo Tasistro | November 13, 2008 6:10 PM
Well, I guess we won't be hearing from Andre for a while on this thread. At least not until Microsoft's astroturf division gives him another press release or ad sheet to type from.
Oh, and Goblin, I believe I said "Microsoft arrives late to the party and _underdressed_", not "undressed", though your version is probably more accurate.
Posted by Bob | November 14, 2008 12:49 PM