How Does Windows 7 Rate You?
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Product Commentary. The screaming 320GB hard drive in my new Sony VAIO laptop has me screeching. Thank you, Windows Experience Index. |
I just got the computer a week ago Friday—and it was an expensive purchase. A friend and I swapped some gear, for which he got my older 15-inch MacBook Pro (2.4GHz processor and 4GB RAM), which offset most of the VAIO's $1,999 price. The WEI, as rated by Windows Vista: a respectable, but not great 3.8. Windows 7 Beta 1 WEI: 2.0.
That's right, as I tweeted earlier today: "My new VAIO laptop had a 3.8 Windows Experience Index under Vista. It gets a 2.0 under Windows 7." Because of the hard drive. LOL. But, of course, I'm not laughing at all. I'm not crying, either. There is a reason specific to Beta 1.
My swapping buddy rang this morning, and I told him about the 2.0 rating. His immediate reaction: "That's a thousand dollars a point."
I checked the WEI because of a new post at Microsoft's Engineering Windows 7 Weblog. I can't tell you how good the rating makes me feel about my new computer.
"Somebody showed you that it's not as shiny a penny. There's a shinier penny," my friend said. He's right. I'm more satisfied running Windows 7 on this laptop than any other with Windows Vista. But there's this psychological thing of going from a three-eight to a, ah, two. It's not a good feeling, but it's not one likely to last. Gulp, hopefully.
According to today's E7 blog post, Microsoft has temporarily capped the rating for some hard drives. There are some issues related to caching that affect WEI scoring. Microsoft's Michael Fortin explains:
To reflect this real world learning, in the Windows 7 Beta code, we have capped scores for drives which appear to exhibit the problematic behavior (during the scoring) and are using our feedback system to send back information to us to further evaluate these results. Scores of 1.9, 2.0, 2.9 and 3.0 for the system disk are possible because of our current capping rules. Internally, we feel confident in the beta disk assessment and these caps based on the data we have observed so far. Of course, we expect to learn from data coming from the broader beta population and from feedback and conversations we have with drive manufacturers.
My down-rated laptop: Sony VAIO VGN-Z590, with 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, a 13.1-inch LED backlit display with 1,600-by-900 resolution, 256MB nVidia GeForce 9300M GS graphics, 3GB of DDR3 memory, a 320GB hard drive (5,400 rpm), a dual-layer DVD burner, a fingerprint reader, Wi-Fi and a Sprint 3G modem. WEI by component:
CPU (Intel 8600/3MB cache): 5.8
DDR3 memory: 5.5
nVidia graphics: 4.4
Gaming graphics: 4.4
Hard drive: 2.0
Late yesterday, I did a clean Windows 7 Beta 1 install on the virus-infected HP Artist Edition notebook. Whoa, the clean install took less than 30 minutes. Impressive. Speeds and feeds of the Pavilion dv2800t model: 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 14-inch display (with 1,280-by-800 resolution), 128MB discrete nVidia GeForce 8400M GS graphics (shared to 767MB), 2GB of RAM, 250GB hard drive (5,400 rpm) and multi-DVD burner (with LightScribe). WEI: 4.0. WEI under Windows 7: 4.1. Breakdown by component:
CPU (Intel 7500 cache): 5.5
System memory: 5.5
nVidia graphics: 4.1
Gaming graphics: 4.2
Hard drive: 5.2
The HP notebook sells for around $900. "The cheaper computer has a higher rating," my friend joked, with clearly jabbing sarcasm. I wasn't sure if the jab was for me, Microsoft or both. But I took it because I know the VAIO is the better laptop and that two-oh rating is likely temporary.
The VAIO has higher screen resolution, twice the graphics memory, faster system memory, a larger hard drive, and smaller size and weight than the HP. The VGN-Z90 weighs 3.14 pounds. But if WEI is the measure, the Artist Edition notebook is twice as good.
In today's E7 blog post, Steven Sinfosky, vice president of Microsoft's Windows and Windows Live Engineering group, rightly cautions:
[WEI] is best used as a relative measure and should not be used to compare one measure to another. Unlike many other measures, the WEI merely measures the relative capability of components. The WEI only runs for a short time and does not measure the interactions of components under a software load, but rather characteristics or your hardware. As such it does not (nor cannot) measure how a system will perform under your own usage scenarios. Thus the WEI does not measure performance of a system, but merely the relative hardware capabilities when running Windows 7.
If WEI is so damn relative, then what good is it? If I used WEI as a measure of the VAIO against the HP, the cheaper notebook must be the better one. For a PC buyer, I see more potential confusion than benefit. Technically, of course, Microsoft has artificially capped the rating for some hard drives. That's the point: Benchmarking isn't always consistent, but it bears weight on how someone might perceive a new computer.
I've never been a big fan of WEI and told Microsoft so back in my analyst days. I anticipated lower scores for laptops than desktops, which has proved to be the case. C`mon, who wants to spend a thousand bucks—or two—only to get a WEI rating of 2.0?
Somebody else doesn't love WEI, but I can't say if it's OEMs or retailers. I can say this: It's not unusual for me to go into a retail store and check for a Windows Vista laptop's WEI, only to find the rating unavailable in Welcome Center. WEI is such a huge selling point that the manufacturer or retailer, perhaps both, doesn't want would-be buyers checking the measure.
So why is WEI still hanging around in Windows 7 and even extended? The rating scale goes from 0 to 5.9 in Vista but up to 7.9 in Seven.
I'll get over my laptop's low rating because I'm satisfied with performance and more satisfied running Windows 7 than Vista. Michael writes:
For those obtaining low disk scores but are otherwise satisfied with the performance, we aren't recommending any action (of course the WEI is not a tool to recommend hardware changes of any kind). It is entirely possible that the sequence of I/Os being issued for your common workload and applications isn't encountering the issues we are noting. As we've said, the WEI is a metric, but only you can apply that metric to your computing needs.
Is WEI a "metric of your computing needs"? There are plenty of people who do use WEI as one measure when shopping for a new computer (hence, why the feature is turned off on some store display models). I make a big deal out of my 2 rating simply to make that point: WEI is too relative a measure for what many people will use it for.
So I say. Whether or not you're using Windows 7, what do you think of WEI as a measure of the Windows PC experience? How do you use the tool? Or do you? Please answer in comments or by e-mail.
[Please send your tips or rumors to watchtips at live.com].
Comments (44)
So the issue on your machine was something to do with caching on the hard drive? Why should the hard drive's caching make any difference to performance? It's a bunch of RAM on the wrong side of a slow interface.
Surely OS filesystem caching will be the dominant factor.
Posted by Lawrence D'Oliveiro | January 19, 2009 6:29 PM
Joe Id like to know if the hard drives that are impacted are the companies with bad relations with microsoft or have possibly not implemented the DRM as instructed.
Other than that i can only think of one reason a hard drive wouldnt perform the same as any other and that is the current scenario with the Seagate line that have some issues.
I can see Microsoft using the WEI to punish hardware manufacturers if they dont do whatever they are told by Microsoft leading to another EU investigation.
Posted by kitkat | January 19, 2009 6:31 PM
Joe;
Well, it's a public beta and I am glad for it. Seems like Microsoft still has work to be done before releasing the RTM.
(add Linux Banner here)
I'm sure the Linux guys will be here soon enough to plug on how superior their product is, and that's okay...
Posted by Bill | January 19, 2009 7:10 PM
i'm sorry but someone has to say it:
Only Microsoft could possibly come up with a rating system (to help non-tech savvy consumers no less!!!!) that goes from 0 to 5.9 and then change it in the *very next version* from 0 to 7.9...
5 out of 5 stars? 10 out of 10 points? 100 percent rating? nah this baby's running on 7.9!!!
clowns.
Posted by whatever | January 19, 2009 7:28 PM
Quote Bill "I'm sure the Linux guys will be here soon enough to plug on how superior their product is, and that's okay..."
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Dont be silly. I would assume you consider me to be a "Linux guy". I have repeatedly said I will not make a comment (or even post in a thread meant for people who have used Win 7 beta) until I have used it myself, and can I just add, Linux users are female aswell. (Im sure Linux guys was just a generic term of yours)
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Unlike certain posters here, Linux users have and still do use Windows systems. I dont believe any of our regulars will plug Linux as being superior until they have actually tried Windows 7.
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Lets just hope that this time around the beta strongly represents the final release and lets also hope they dont have to conduct another Mojave experiment to try to convince people that the problems with it are all in the mind.
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In the meantime the allegations regarding paid MS posters continue and the "play for sure" episode of the past has left a bad taste in the mouth of many (IMO)
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Just like I cant say Linux is superior to Win 7. You cannot say Win 7 is superior to Linux. Fact is the final version is not out. Until then we wont know.
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and on a final note, whilst I have had no experience personally of Windows 7 beta, dont be so quick to suggest its great. Not all the reviews are favorable. Would you like me to link a few?
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 7:30 PM
Who cares what rating is I know what my systems are
and had rather use a heavy game to do the job.that tell more than Microshafts lack garbage
Posted by Hiwaystar | January 19, 2009 7:39 PM
goblin;
who here said it was great? nor was i talking to you in the least. BTFO.
Posted by Bill | January 19, 2009 7:43 PM
Hiwaystar;
isn't that the truth.
Posted by Bill | January 19, 2009 7:59 PM
Quote Bill "I'm sure the Linux guys will be here soon enough to plug on how superior their product is, and that's okay..."
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I took that as an attempt to pre-empt any Linux alternative and to cheapen it by suggesting that no matter what Microsoft releases Linux users will claim "their" system to be better.
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Quote Bill "nor was i talking to you in the least.."
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Sorry, but since Im not psychic then its difficult for me to tell.
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Who were you talking to then?
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whilst we are at it, quote "who here said it was great?" check back on previous threads which are singing the praises of a beta that has yet to go through Microsofts "final fixing stage".
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Remind anyone of Vista? I seem to remember seeing the same rave reviews prior to that launch as well. What went wrong there?
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Whilst some are raving that Windows 7 is a performance demon, take a look at the following link in order to see some benchmarks in comparison to XP.
Ill let you make up your own mind.
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http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-7378-view-Windows-7-7000.0-Beta-1-review.html
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It would appear if the warp speed performance that has been promised is to be delivered, Microsoft still has alot of work to do.
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What I will say in regards to Windows 7 is that whatever it turns out to be, if you compare it to the pig of Vista (IMO) you'll almost certainly be on to a winner.
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 8:00 PM
i had the same low hdd score on my dell studio 1735 with 320gb hdd 5400rpm and got a 2.0 for the score of the hdd. I turned off write caching on the drive under device manager for the drive and score went to a 5.2 as it was under vista, ofcourse vista is a score out of 5.9 and win 7 is out of 7.9
Posted by don | January 19, 2009 8:18 PM
Goblin;
My gawd man, my post was before you chimed in. are you the flippin' moderator of this site, are you indeed joe wilcox?
"Sorry, but since Im not psychic then its difficult for me to tell.
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Who were you talking to then?"
since i was not talking to directly or indirectly, don't be a moron spoiling for a fight. unless you are a moderator, and by the looks of things, you're not, again, BTFO
Posted by Bill | January 19, 2009 8:24 PM
Quote "since i was not talking to directly or indirectly, don't be a moron spoiling for a fight. unless you are a moderator, and by the looks of things, you're not, again, BTFO"
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Er ok.
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So I repeat, who did you mean by "I'm sure the Linux guys will be here soon enough to plug on how superior their product is, and that's okay..."
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Or do you not know and are making it up?
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Im not spoiling for anything, and since you started this with a post that was confrontational (which I merely challenged) you have a nerve to say its me spoiling for a fight.
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Could you not have said instead "I await the Linux users viewpoint"? what about "I wonder what Linux users will say"?
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Really do I need to give you examples?
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Im not quite sure where you have got the "moderator" idea from, and I ask, where do I suggest that I moderate anything?
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Since it was you posting first with your "superior Linux" comment, Id suggest its you looking for a fight.
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Shame you dont think about what you type first.
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 8:32 PM
Bill;
Dude, it's okay, I know that there is some people here that think they own the site or that their opinions are a matter of fact.
Don't add to their stuff. Breath in, breath out slowly.
@don;
Yeah, I have a Seagate drive that windows seven said the same thing, are you running a Seagate drive in that dell of your?
just wondering, because if you and I are running into this, then others with Seagates could be to.
Just a thought.
Posted by ChillBill | January 19, 2009 8:35 PM
i get a low rating because of the primary hard disc test, because i dont have Windows 7 installed on the primary hard disc.
why does it do the primary hard disc and not the one the operating system is installed on?
Posted by puppet | January 19, 2009 8:40 PM
@ChillBill
Qoute "Bill; Dude, it's okay, I know that there is some people here that think they own the site or that their opinions are a matter of fact.
Don't add to their stuff. Breath in, breath out slowly."
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Agreed totally. We've seen the people who tried to "own" the site. We saw it recently when pro Microsoft posters had to have their posts deleted by Joe Wilcox because they couldnt behave like adults. The rest of us simply want to discuss IT matters and not get distracted with sillyness like this.
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Quote "Don't add to their stuff. Breath in, breath out slowly."
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A sage piece of advice. The Linux regulars here like to post links with supporting facts and these can sometimes get in the way of a pro-ms "fact" that underhanded posters may try to claim.
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Many of the regular posters who had a dubious interest to post here have learned that, and now we get less of them and more honest MS users like David and his excellent review of the Windows 7 beta.
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Ill leave to to sit with your breathing techniques for a bit.
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 8:42 PM
@Puppet
I think you've just found my problem. I did the very same thing and got "punished" for it...
Posted by ChillBill | January 19, 2009 9:00 PM
and since the above link has been conveniently lost in the plethora of teaching people how to post in the spirit of debate without starting argument, here is the link again:
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http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-7378-view-Windows-7-7000.0-Beta-1-review.html
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It highlights the performance of the Windows 7 beta in comparison to XP. Whilst Im sure the good news is that so far Windows 7 is everything Vista should have been, the question still needs to be asked, what on earth is the advantage of upgrading, when the "unique" features that have already been written about can be achieved through either XP natively or 3rd party software?
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I wonder if there is anymore sillyness to further dillute this link or we are we going to have a sensible discussion?
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Thank you Bill for prompting what I believe an interesting and relevant link.
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 9:03 PM
Nice link Goblin, have you personally tested or in the process of testing Seven?
Posted by ChillBill | January 19, 2009 9:19 PM
Re: "I'm sure the Linux guys will be here soon enough to plug on how superior their product is, and that's okay..."
Well, I'm a "Linux guy", if by that you mean someone who uses Linux fairly extensively. I also use Windows XP and iMac, though XP not so often anymore, and iMac not all that often because my wife loves using it too much. ;-)
But no, I actually find that the Linux filesystem is much inferior to the Windows filesystem. The default ext3 filesystem is too fast and reliable and never causes a system slowdown no matter how much you hammer on it. It never needs to be defragmented, which is a horrible thing to do to the poor disk defragmenter utility companies, especially in this poor economic climate. The Linux ext3 filesystem offers no bizzare entertainment value to frustrate users, and no opportunity for income to 3rd-party defrag vendors. Of what possible worth could it therefore be? None!
So there you have it.
Posted by Philosopher | January 19, 2009 9:21 PM
@Chillbill
Quote "Nice link Goblin, have you personally tested or in the process of testing Seven?"
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I dont need to answer. If you'd read my posts you would see I made it very clear.
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Or maybe you did read them, and its you who is looking to start an argument.
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Id suggest you follow your own advise, that you conveniently turned up at the right time to give Bill. - No implication made, Ill let the other readers decide for themselves.
Incase you've forgotten, I will repeat it for you (your words) "Don't add to their stuff. Breath in, breath out slowly."
Posted by Goblin | January 19, 2009 9:26 PM
The whole process reeks of marketing droids, and a push to upsell more hardware. The only reason for numbers like these is that they be comparable across products and product lines. Otherwise, what's the point? Note that if you are getting a 2.0 out of 7.9, that's just over 25%. A 3.8 out of 5.9 is 64%. To get the same level of satisfaction, you are going to have to get a score of 5.1. So, the number is confusing, it's not comparable, it can be disabled if it keeps your store from maximizing profit, and (based on the capping statements), it's meaningless anyhow. But you still have to pay the cost of the programming, debugging, documentation, and localization, and you'll see it used whenever the marketing department decides it will provide a 'competitive edge'.
Posted by Eadwacer | January 19, 2009 10:30 PM
Joe asked
"How Does Windows 7 Rate You?"
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Windows 7 rated my 2.09 Ghz desktop with 1.25 Ram as a 1.0. Lets turn the tables....
Maybe its my turn to rate OS's.....
1..Windows XP.....9.0
2..Ubuntu 8.10....8.7
3..Linux Mint.....8.5
4..Windows 2000...7.5
5..Windows 7......6.0
6..Tiger OSX......5.5
7..Knoppix 5.3....5.0
8..Mandriva.......4.9
9..Open Suse......4.0
10.Fedora.........4.0
XP still remains # 1 because of its versatility, relative stability, and the amount of programs that will run on it.
Ubuntu is close at # 2 It has versatility, very stable, secure with no virus or malware issues. It does not cost anything, works on nearly any computer made in the last 8 to 10 years.It is mature enough now to become a serious desktop contender. Even offers OOTB wireless support now.
Up and coming...a new OS called "Easy Peasy" which replaces Xandros on the EEE PC Linux netbooks. It is Ubuntu 8.10 reloaded and rebranded with complete out of the box support for the EEE PC.
Oh yes, why didn't Windows 7 get a higher rating? It is Beta and it still has bloat despite being a improvement over Vista. Good Lord...ANYTHING is a improvement over Vista.
Posted by Ralph | January 19, 2009 11:03 PM
Facts behind Microsoft's anti-Linux campaign
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10145332-16.html?part=rss
Posted by chips b malroy | January 19, 2009 11:18 PM
@Ralph:
Just out of curiousity, why did you rate Linux Mint slightly lower than Ubuntu? I'm asking because I've used Ubuntu, but I've never used Linux Mint. Considering that it is based on Ubuntu, it always seemed like mostly just Ubuntu with a different default theme to me, so I never tried it out, but I'm always tempted to give it a try whenever I update my system.
What do you find Linux Mint lacking compared to Ubuntu?
Posted by Will | January 19, 2009 11:48 PM
@ chips b malroy:
"Get the facts" indeed. ;)
Posted by Will | January 19, 2009 11:50 PM
I was getting bad performance numbers for a good drive (320GB Seagate 7200.10), too. Turns out you have to go into the device manager, turn of write caching for the drive, run the performance test (you'll get a more realistic number), turn caching back on, and run the test again. You'll keep the more realistic number.
It's unintuitive, I know, but it works.
Posted by KGWagner | January 20, 2009 4:18 AM
Is it really so hard to believe that a 5.4K hard drive gets a bad score?
There are 7 and 10K drives out and they have been out for ages.
The SDD's are gaining more and more ground.
This is the OS that is going to be released and Microsoft will hope the OS stays current for 3 years or more. Obviously your 5.4K drives will score low. How is this even a point of discussion?
And how did this discussion (again?!) end up about Linux and Microsoft being evil?
Posted by Charlie | January 20, 2009 5:10 AM
@Whatever
I comepletely agree. A rating that goes to 8 is retarded.
Posted by Charlie | January 20, 2009 5:11 AM
@Whatever
I completely agree. A rating that goes to 8 is retarded.
Posted by Charlie | January 20, 2009 5:12 AM
Win7 has a bug in it's experience index.
Under Vista I have a 5.8 index rating.
But under Win7 I have 3.0.....all because of the hard drive, which is a Seagate 7200.12 500gig single platter. I also have 5 other 7200.11 hard drives.
My other ratings in the index are at 7.5+, but for some reason the HDD is not being treated right by the indexing app.
So, don't be surprised if your HDD is not rated very high, even the best hard drives are not rated very well in Win7.
Posted by Brew | January 20, 2009 7:32 AM
Just got off the phone to Mr Balmer, and he said that he would personally fix this up so the hard drives are not given bad results and also he is going to personally fix the mal ware problem immediately. So all you linux guys out there you can now stop using that dead old unix crap and start using windows now. IF the whole world would just use windows 7 then the problem with Microsofts balance sheet would be fixed. Thats why Mr Balmer is going to hand code and fix all problems before midnight tonight. Good job guys see you all tomorrow.
Posted by Charlie | January 20, 2009 7:51 AM
I also got very low scores for my hard drive (just an extra 7200 seagate I had lying around).
I am wondering, what does it take to get 7.9 for any particular component? What sort of drives do you need to get a 7.9 today? RAID'ed SRAM drives? How do they account for newer hardware?
Also hard drives seem to affect the consumer experience much more than it should. Once you are up and running, most people are not streaming gigabytes to the drive, so its not going to affect you more than not having enough RAM. Anything < 512Mb RAM should automatically score 0 even if it has blazing hard drives and a 16 core processor. If your system is constantly swapping then a CPU is not going to help you. Windows loves to swap so you need plenty of RAM in there.
Posted by billybob | January 20, 2009 7:52 AM
@billybob -- "If your system is constantly swapping then a CPU is not going to help you."
LOL im almost dying of laughter here, lol. With no CPU im sure you definately will get a score of zero. lol.
Posted by kitkat | January 20, 2009 7:56 AM
I have Windows 7 beta installed on an intel iMac using boot camp. The first time I ran the WEI, I got a lower score than what I got in Vista. This made me shake my head with confusion. A week later I retested the WEI, and the scores returned to where they were under Vista. They've stayed the same ever since. You may want to try having it retest your system again. That might clear things up.
Posted by Otto | January 20, 2009 8:34 AM
Will :wrote
"Just out of curiousity, why did you rate Linux Mint slightly lower than Ubuntu?"
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Linux Mint is a great distro, but I actually had a few minor issues with video with Mint that I didn't with Ubuntu. Even though Mint is derived from Ubuntu.
Linux Mint comes with all the codecs built in, whereas Ubuntu you have to add them. And in one way that should put Linux Mint above Ubuntu.
I didn't really care for Mint's newer look. But that doesn't take away from being a great distro. Besides I am used to Ubuntu as much as I am used to Windows XP. I'd rather stick with Ubuntu and add things that I need to add.
On the netbooks "Easy Peasy" is a tailored for netbooks Ubuntu 8.10 with everything needed including wireless, sound and video. Based on that alone "Easy Peasy" would be #1 on my list. But that OS is mainly for netbooks and rocks on those tiny laptops. Whereas the desktop (regular) Ubuntu 8.10 is better suited for regular laptops and desktops.
Technology is great these days, who would have thought ten years ago that you can actually boot and install a operating system from flash drive into a USB port with no CD or DVD. Its called Unetbootin.
Now THAT is innovation. I better not say more ...cause maybe the fine folks in Redmond might get wind of it and claim it was their discovery and offer Windows 7 as a flash drive installation option.
Too bad Windows 7 looks like KDE, I prefer Gnome...lol
Posted by Ralph | January 20, 2009 6:22 PM
Actually Ralphie my boy.... been there USB installed that. both vista and 7.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/how_to_install_windows_7_beta_a_usb_key
Follow linky
Posted by NKnow | January 20, 2009 10:55 PM
Mine also gave a reading of 2.5. Not only was it wrong but it performed wrong. Only when I installed the MB drivers using the compatibility fix tool did the drivers seat correctly and bring the score up to a 5.2. 5.2 is not the same 5.9 I got in Vista 64 but it's much much better. Try the tool.
Posted by Grandpa | January 20, 2009 11:46 PM
Malware infestation responsible for credit card data breach
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-malware-infestation-responsible-for-credit-card-data-breach.html
Posted by chips b malroy | January 21, 2009 3:38 PM
@chumps b malroy;
You little Linux wanna-be, how cute. I just got to say that you are no darn different than any Microsoft shill that ever came to this site, you little hypocrite you.
Posted by Chumpin' On Da' chips | January 21, 2009 6:31 PM
@Chumpin' On Da' chips
The report is factual news, the link is obviously recent and the leak is to do with the windows platform and is backed up with facts.
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Shills commonly post so called factual data with no links to factual sites, they post with either no links or links to microsoft sponsored reports.
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You need to do some research on how bad microsoft products really are and how the uptake of windows on embedded systems is actually destroying your privacy and is making it easy for thieves to steal your data and money.
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So called managers of companies need to look carefully at any deployment of windows based terminals anywhere and asses their security. They are obviously targets because they can be easily compromised. Linux on the other hand has a record of being very secure and hard to hack.
Posted by kitkat | January 21, 2009 7:11 PM
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways, cripes I thought this article was about Windows Seven Scores -- Thanks for enlightening me.
Posted by Chumpin' On Da' chips | January 21, 2009 7:25 PM
Oh look.
We have a new one. "Chumpin on Da chips". someone else who has no courage or conviction to use the same handle and links to a site that doesnt belong to him/her.
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I wish this new poster had read the blog they are linking to. They would have picked up some pointers on not only how to post like an adult, but secondly how to put a point across coherently.
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Ill quote our new poster here who originally said:
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"You little Linux wanna-be, how cute. I just got to say that you are no darn different than any Microsoft shill that ever came to this site, you little hypocrite you."
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and then goes onto imply that other people are posting off topic by saying:
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"Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways, cripes I thought this article was about Windows Seven Scores -- Thanks for enlightening me."
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These people really dont think about what they are saying. If this is the only way they argue back about Microsoft products, then IMO Microsoft is doomed. Is this the only way a Linux view can be countered?
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I really hope Redmond "big wigs" are reading this, as I would ask of them, is this really how you want your products defended? I would also say to the shareholders, in these days of economic crisis, does this type of behaviour inspire you with any confidence in the immediate future? Have you seen any argument on this site which has managed to counter any of the Linux/Open source views. I would like them to ask themselves why do anti-open source posters always seem to resort to insults and childishness instead of hard facts? Could it be that there is no argument? Ill let you decide that for yourselves.
Posted by Goblin | January 21, 2009 8:09 PM
@Chumpin on Da Chips
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Thank you. Youre post reminded me of another bit of news that may be of interest to readers here, leading up to the release of Win 7, it appears all is not well in the world of Microsoft (if this report is correct)
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http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2234739/microsoft-staff-brace-major-job
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and that link may be of interest to anyone with shares in Microsoft.
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Lets hope that "Chumping" isnt one of those alleged shill posters we hear about, because if they were Id say their job is on very thin ice (afterall youre hardly very good at promoting Microsoft are you?)
Posted by Goblin | January 21, 2009 8:18 PM
I would rather use a 10-year-old Mac than suffer with another version of Windows on any computer, even an Intel Mac.
For now, I'm ecstatic with my G5 iMac running Tiger. My next computer will be a MacBook Pro running Leopard, OS 10.5, 10.6-ready.
I'm an artist. I'm a musician. I'm left-handed, but also a left-brained geek who pays the bills supporting technology for teachers and students.
I've learned a lot- on one hand, there's me and a thousand Macs, and on the other- the Keystone Cops trying to keep the Windows community in order. Love those Macs.
Posted by auramac | January 22, 2009 2:47 AM