Sorry, but 6 years of work and not better enough to adopt == sucks. I think you laid it out pretty well in your points.

I do think it is pretty obvious that it will succeed though.

Come on Joe, Micro$oft is extending XP for 6 months for the simple reason that Vi$ta is a Train Wreak. The revolt among the OEM's will be in full force if MS pulls XP at this point, with almost all OEM's to release a Linux pre-install if XP was not extended.

The fact that XP is being extended for 6 months shows more than anything the degree of discontent with Vi$ta among end users. Vi$ta, at this point in its life is not ready to replace XP. The DRM that comes with Vi$ta is responcible for most of the problems with it. Furthermore, the DRM that Vi$ta is being used to force feed on the Public, needs only to be installed on systems that would use Blueray or HD-DVD drives, which is only a very few computers at this point. Which means that most users have to suffer with the DRM in Vista without any gain.

I haven't read the whole article...yet! Sorry..but I will shortly.

However, Vista is failing, as of this writing, due to the same reason that IBM OS/2 failed.

Problem? Both companies tested and released their OS on hardware platforms that were either not available or too expensive for average users to buy! I am sure those of us old enough remember the hardware requirements for OS/2.

Vista? Only time will tell, however, somehow Vista reminds of ME! ;)

I agree with what the above person says; VISTA SUCKS AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE TO MICROSOFT!!! THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT IT SOONER OR LATER!!!

This is probably a good time to give credit to Microsoft's Windows XP. Thank you to everyone at Microsoft.

http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/28/1622223.shtml

Microsoft Extends XP's Life By 6 Months
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Not a whole lot of comments here at slashdot link of users fond of Vista.

Isn't it great that Kool-Aid comes in different flavors so you don't get bored?! :)

I've been an independent consultant for 20 years, and other than ME, I have never seen such a negative reaction to an operating system. I've had many clients pay me good money to purchase an XP license and dump Vista. Vista isn't good enough to warrant replacing your computer, your hardware and your software to get what is perceived as a less satisfying user experience from Vista.

Also, for the first time, I've had several clients, both business and home, look to Linux as an alternative, and I've never had that happen. ME just resulted in people staying with 98.

I think Wilcox is giving Vista more credit than it deserves. If it's a better OS then I'd want to upgrade but I don't. Partly its price: having to spend that much to get a complete OS is just not going to happen. There should be one version and it should cost no more than XP Pro.
Vista does contain some good stuff but I found the new interface counterintuitive. Took me way more time to find things that it did with OSX my first time in and I'm not and experienced OSX user. It shouldn't take that long as an experience XP user to figure out how to get an alias of Network Places on my desktop.
And I've read to many reviews to believe it's a better operating system.
I've been using Windows for 7 years and I'll move to OSX before I go to Vista unless substantial changes are made.

XP gets to live . . . just a little bit longer.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7187/

Quote from the link:

"It has become quite apparent in past months that Vista is no where near ready for prime time. In fact, many large companies have stated that they will not be upgrading to Vista until the first Service Pack is released. that is expected for the first quarter of 2008. It may help to resolve some of the security and computability issues users have been having, but at what cost? There have been past Windows XP updates that have crippled computers, though Microsoft does eventually fix the problem.

Regardless, XP will continue to run for many years to come. It seems unfortunate though that Microsoft would put XP (its best OS ever) out to pasture in favor of Vista (second worse only to Windows Millennium). Perhaps they'll reconsider, though it is quite unlikely. Maybe we'll all just start running Linux and OSX instead."

Vista “Out of Memory” errors

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=829

Quote;

"You just can’t seem to throw enough memory at Vista.

There have been a number of issues that Vista users have reported relating to copying and moving data, especially large numbers of files. Often there can be multiple errors at play making it difficult for Vista users to track down the problem, in fact very often there is little indication that file copy operations haven’t completed correctly. It’s only when the user checks the number of files in source and destination that they realize they have a problem."
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Vista is not an upgrade, but rather a regression from XP. Mac OSX and Linux are far ahead.

Joe,
You forgot the primariy reason why Vista is not selling enough. The FUD and misconceptions spread by reporters, especialy the DRM [non] issue. Most customers still beleive that Vista won't play their downloaded "illegal" mp3 music and Microsoft has not done enough to correct all these false reports.

Overall, however, I find this article well balanced. One more significant reason for slow adoption have to to with Hardware Vendors.
Hardware Vendors did not have ready Vista drivers for their hardware. This is a Vendor fault, not Microsoft's. Other Vendors refused to make Vista drivers for older hardware, to force customers to buy their newer Hardware. Again this is a Vendor fault, but Microsoft is taking the blame for it.

I also believe someone long ago tried to short VCSY into oblivion. I also believe it was done in conjunction with an effort to drive the company into the ground via Ross/Arglen's deceptive business dealings with VCSY/NOW Solutions.

I believe someone was told the industry could be convinced VCSY concepts were old and obsolete and VCSY itself would be dispensed with, allowing the technology to be taken and used to extend the ideas nearly every two-bit software hobbyist was convinced could be done with XML if somebody could just figure out how to actually do it.

I do believe the ferocity of the effort to drag VCSY down indicates somebody somewhere has a whole lot to lose by VCSY surviving and from VCSY technology being in VCSY control.

And the easiest way for a company to be driven into the ground is by shorting their stock in a massive way.

Who would have benefited most quickly and thoroughly? Microsoft. The historic evidence in XML demonstrates that quite easily. MSFT had an excellent and plausible web strategy with their XML efforts, however, SOAP from the beginning was an outmoded methodology akin to SCADA RTU (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition Remote Terminal Unit) than distributed computing and parallelism.

SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol) was a first clue Microsoft was not going down the right road. Subsequent system failures and developmental dead ends proved those inadequacies out through time leading to Sun splitting with MSFT's efforts at SOA in 2006 and taking up IBM's methods which depended more on a form of distributed middleware.

MSFT's additional efforts at "Smart Clients" demonstrated they realized the need for client side processing, but, their efforts were hindered because of the brittle nature of their architecture and the non-extensible nature of their programming methods for their Smart Clients. That development ran aground in late 2006 with a number of failures and inadequate performances.

Much has been said on other boards about VCSY going bankrupt, but, VCSY has not gone bankrupt and those who refuse to comment on the technical merits of 744/521 are in a battle against the clock now.

Microsoft STILL has the most to gain by using 744/521, but, the fact they have yet to allow daylight to see any of their XML development from the days prior to the granting of 744 in November 2004, and now continuous delays in product capabilities ranging from Vista to Longhorn to WinFS and Viridian demonstrate MSFT is incapable of handling XML in an effective way.

That tells the industry they have a technology deficit that prevents them from productizing web platform efforts that match 744/521, forcing them to take RPC (remote procedure call) methods that are typical of the SCADA RTU methods I wrote about above.

Folks can twist and turn all they like but, should MSFT be foolish enough to allow this to go to court, the world will find shortly just how impotent MSFT has been all this time and how much time and treasure they wasted hunting in futility for a work around or solution that would perform as elegantly as the 744/521 methods. They did all that only to fall into "licensing" problems that prevent them from shipping what should have been shipped four years ago.

So, I do believe somebody engaged in a massive shorting campaign against VCSY. The vociferous ridicule from various posters demonstrates there is some truth to that concept. If that is true, there really is only one software entity short of a national government that could have done such a campaign undetected and one would assume that entity would be the one most likely to benefit from a VCSY demise.

Time will tell. It always does.

Evan
I totally agree with your comment, plus it has not been made any easier by Linux zealots making whoppee and slinging mud.

XP = Administrator
Vista = Standard User

Visualize all the small and medium-sized businesses out there who think XP is good enough. Then visualize a large bright red bullseye painted on the back of each of their monitors.

The sooner the world gets to zero computers running as Administrator, the better we will all be.

Vista Resistance: Why XP Is Still So Strong

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137635-c,vistalonghorn/article.html

Quote: "from January through July of this year, XP sales accounted for a healthy 42.3 percent of online and brick-and-mortar retail OS sales. By contrast, from January through July of 2002, after XP's launch in October the year prior, Windows 98 accounted for just 23.1 percent of retail sales"
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One really only has two choices if you want to keep your present IBM compatable computer and not "downgrade to Vi$ta." Keep XP, or setup a dual boot system running XP and Linux. The last one being the very best option. XP will last a long time, even after the M$ support is gone, by using the many freely available 3rd party apps out there to secure it. This is truely the best upgrade path that costs a user nothing as a side benefit.

Microsoft Confirms Stealth Updating Mucks Up XP Restore

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137846-page,1/article.html

Quote; "Microsoft Corp. Friday confirmed that Windows XP users who repair the operating system cannot update their PCs with the latest patches because of a file included with the stealth update pushed out to machines this summer."
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Another reason to not want these clowns to update anything on my computer. Micro$oft, keep your hands off my computer! (yes, I do run XP once in awhile)

System builders eXPerience gain, avoid Vista pains
An opening for white box as OS dismay continues

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;1153400139;fp;16;fpid;1

Quote; "Some system builders say their sales are up this year, as consumers and small-to-medium-sized businesses (SMBs) come to them for "whitebox" PCs installed with XP and eschew brand-name PCs preloaded with Vista.

"My business has actually gone up since Vista's launch," said Paul Ghysels, owner of the Neighborhood Computer Store. Ghysels estimates that only two out of the almost 400 PCs he's sold so far this year had Vista on them."
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From a monotary standpoint Vi$ta was never going to be a failure. But from a different viewpoint, Vi$ta is being rejected, dispute custormers no having a choice at the local OfficeMax.

In the long run, custormers who are forced into using Vi$ta, and hate it, will probably never use another Microsoft Windows Operating System after that one. The damage that MS is forcing on customers, will come back to them in just a couple of years time.

Microsoft's worst nightmare, running Windows programs and games on Linux, with a free Wine program to do so;

http://www.winehq.org/?announce=0.9.46
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Wine is now at version 9.46, and like Wine, keeps getting better with age, constantly improving. I would guess that Wine will run at least 1/4 of all windows apps and games in native Linux, if not more. With every new release of Wine, it runs more Windows software. Many apps and games that it does run, run surprizingly better with Wine on Linux, than on XP itself. (forget Vi$ta)

Of course, another way to run a windows program in Linux is to use a Virtual Machine type program, like VMware Player. Qemm, or VirtualBox. The last option is just to dual boot to XP. These for the few windows apps/games that you might still want to run.

(Joe, I want you to know that you're appreciated for allowing me to post here off topic. Most of the readers won't see this in a topic of discussion on blog sites till after Shorts have covered and VCSY is on the Nasdaq, So again Joe-Thank-You!)

The scenario is that VCSY technology was made available to anyone who wanted to buy the products and enter into licensing talks with VCSY beginning in 2000-2001.

As you can see, Microsoft technologists should have been clearly aware VCSY had a method that would perform precisely the kinds of actions Microsoft had in Hailstorm in 2001.

BUT, we do not see any recognition from Microsoft at that time. HOWEVER, we do see recognition from IBM at that time. Although much of this information is no longer on the internet, there are still artifacts that could not be removed:

"?As a part of the effort to move XML into the business mainstream, IBM is working with companies like Vertical Computer Systems to develop tools and solutions based on this exciting technology.?"

We see IBM's traditional relational database product DB2 was modernized and made virtual and arbitrary using a secret technology project called "Viper" which is said by IBM to have originated in 2001.

The first element of this project, Viper1, shows signs of patent 7076521 (521) claims in the architecture. A second phase introduced earlier this year, Viper2, shows signs of patent 6826744 (744) claims in the architecture. You may search IBM + Viper for further information.

VCSY is suing Microsoft over unlicensed use of 6826744 claims. The 7076521 claims are being held in reserve.

We are less than two weeks from the beginning of a Markman hearing in Federal Court Texas to determine precisely the claims by Microsoft and Vertical concerning 744.

Now. The scenario here is that IBM seems to have some license allowing them to use the two patents without paying for them. The speculation is the patents are licensed to IBM on an evaluation basis.

An Evaluation period license is common in software use allowing the user to use the product free of charge for a certain length of time to allow the user to determine the usefulness and value of the product to their purposes. Such an evaluation license requires the user pay for the value of the product upon expiration of the evaluation period.

Parties are not legally required to divulge their products are in an evaluation setting until the expiration of the evaluation period at which time the user must either pay for the product or cease using it and remove it from all uses and the originating body must announce the event.

Based on digging into publicly available information VCSY longs have been able to find on the internet, a number of other companies also have products and projects that show many of the claims of both 744 and 521. The list includes proprietary software manufacturers and open-source manufacturers as well.

The speculation is that VCSy has many relationships in the industry that are being held secret until such time as the evaluation period is finished up on which time all users shall be expected to pay for the products used in their own product development.

Speculation says this event is waiting on some level of resolution in the VCSY v MSFT case.

The Markman hearing is designed to provide early dissection of the applicability of patent claims to the case and discovery of alleged infringement in specified products and suspected products within the defendant's history.

I believe unveiling of the various next-generation web-platform products in the software industry wait for a resolution in the form of either a settlement by Microsoft with VCSY or the findings of the Markman hearing in Texas beginning in around 11 days.

As this practice is common in the software industry and is made available to all users in some manner, I trust this isn't "rocket science" to the reader.

I have been using Vista for around 3 months now, and kinda like it. The first few weeks were rough until I got all the drivers right, but the last 2 months have been good.

I have used several linux distros in the past, such as kubuntu, suse linux, and redhat in the past...I have similar driver issues, etc. Too me, its just another OS, they all have their pluses and minuses. I would say that Vista is definitely a step above XP, mostly because of the security features. If we were comparing XP SP1 to Vista it would be a huge leap...

BTW - WTF is IMan ranting about? What does any of that stuff have to do with XP success or Vistas failure?

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp

"Night of the Living Vista"
"At the same time, Enderle, an analyst who counts Microsoft as a customer, said, "Vista adoption is well below where I thought it would be by now...Corporations aren't even close to being ready for Vista, and many of us have been expecting this move. The biggest issue is that most don't seem to see the value in the product. Right now the majority of the comments I'm getting would indicate the people [who] don't want Vista right now are in the majority."

"Enderle, mind you, is about as pro-Microsoft an analyst there is in the business today. If he's saying that people don't want Vista, and the OEMs, which at the end of the day are all about selling units, don't want to sell it, the only conclusion you can come to is that Vista is failing to win the market."
"XP SP2, with XP SP3 finally due to show up soon, is not only the best Windows to date, I can't think of a single reason to switch from XP to Vista. I'm not talking a good reason, I really mean any reason."

"If you want a better operating system than XP, may I recommend Xandros as the most painless way for an XP user to give Linux a try, or if the idea of installing Linux gives you hives, you can just buy an Ubuntu-powered Dell 1420 laptop, which is a very sweet machine. Or just bite the bullet and go ahead and buy, say, the new MacBook Pro 15-inch to give Mac OS a try."

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/14672/1101/
"If Microsoft can't write drivers for Vista, what hope does anyone else have?"
"If there's one advantage Microsoft's Hardware division should have over everyone else making cameras, mice and keyboards, it would be the ability to write supporting software that worked pretty well with Windows. So it's both annoying and mysterious that the drivers for its latest notebook web cams are proving problematic to the point of being literally unusable with Vista."

Chips
Regarding your "wine" program, I know that wouldn't buy a game for a Linux on the "off chance" that it MIGHT be covered under the 1/4 that will run !!
I think that you have drunk too much wine and are "clutching at straws" !!
When it covers ALL PROGRAMS then crow about it !~!

Marco
You recommend "Xandros", others "Ubuntu", others recommend this and others recommend that.
WHY ???
Is Xandros better than Ubuntu, if not why are there Sooo many different types of GNU Linux and why should we use them, you're even recommending Mac, gee you must really hate microsoft to recommend an OS that "charges" people every year !
By the way what about "RED HAT" ? Why didn't you say anything about that one ?? Or for that matter all the other Linux OS's that you have to pay for !!

Microsoft defense weakens as IBM references VCSY patent!

Coroboration-Just so you can't say you weren't told:
IBM Patent 7,058,671 referencing VCSY 6826744
http://vcsy.blogspot.com/2007/09/ibm-patent-7058671-refencing-vcsy.html

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Microsoft hit with patent suit from Vertical Computer

By John Letzing
Last Update: 4:57 PM ET Apr 20, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) Vertical Computer Systems Inc. said late Friday it has sued Microsoft Corp. for allegedly infringing a patent related to computer application generation. Vertical Computer

Sponsored by:
VCSY 0.02, 0.00, -3.8%) said in a prepared release that the suit was filed April 18 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. Vertical Computer said in the release that Microsoft's .NET system violates a patent Vertical Systems filed in 1999, and awarded in 2004, covering "a system and method for generating computer applications in an arbitrary object framework."

Falling Hardware Prices Favor Linux

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/29/1922213.shtml
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As far as Wine goes, I said more than 1/4, and people can always look up on winehq.org, whats works or not, before they buy that windows program. Most people will find that the 20,000 (free) native based apps and games for Debian based Linux distro's is more than enough, without using windows programs.

Is the success of Linux and open software a hardware issue?

http://moneyforjam.blogspot.com/2007/09/is-success-of-linux-and-open-software.html

Quotes;
"In previous years, if you were spending US$1500 and up on a laptop, the Microsoft tax you were paying didn't seem like such a big deal. XP or Vista was preinstalled, fairly convenient and face it you didn't really have any choice. But as the price of hardware for these small basic machines comes down, (think under US$250 by the end of next year) then software price starts to become a big issue."

"If you just paid $250 for a shiny basic laptop, how much would you pay extra for the software to do basic things like surf the web? Not much I suspect."

"Should Microsoft be worried? It seems there could be a blossoming consumer market for very low-cost computers next year, and with hardware prices so low, they almost all run a version of Linux."

Marco
Your comment on the night of the living Vista
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp
was done by done other than Joe Wilcox's off sider in Linux Watch and of course he is going to say how good Linux is and how bad Vista is because he is sooo biased against microsoft that must be good friends with you and Chips.... it's that bad.
Chips
You are full of it !!

Neil I think you're post regarding Xandros vs Ubuntu and the whole set of Linux versions and the issue of paying for some raises some very interesting points. Points that credit rather than discredit Linux.

Why are there so many Linux versions? Well why shouldn't there be? What a sad country this would be if we all had to ride the same car model and color like the days of the good ol' Ford-T. Just like those days are gone so will the days of a single OS be gone too. This is part of what I see in the EU action's against MS.

Is it a bad thing to have so many types of OSs? Not at all. We have way more models of cars and car manufacturers than we have OS versions and OSs manufacturers. Yet nobody complains. Same thing for the electronic devices at home and of course the PCs!

Cars are built with a common interface in mind. You can later change the audio system, install or change the video system, change the tires, hop op the engine, suspension, drive train etc. All with third party components not available at the car dealership. You can all drive these various models (and modified models) through the same roads, across the same toll booths, in the same ferries, park in the same parking lots, fill up in the same gas station and get them fixed with the same mechanic. Nobody really worries about this. Yet you come to "scare" us with what appears as an unsurmountable amount of possibilities for an OS.

People are not worried about the options. They are more worried about their applications not running and their work not getting done. Of course all things work pretty much the same accross the board when you're talking Linux and Max OS. If one thing works in one distro it works well across the others. It is Microsoft's stuff that doesn't work well across the others (even accross its own products!). You can run Open Office on Windows, but it is a pain (if at all possible) to run Office 2007 on Linux. Same goes for a whole set of stuff like .NET. Mono works well for C#, but not so well for VB when you try it on Linux. Oddly enough Microsoft says both compile to the same byte code don't they? So why does this happen? Why do C# apps run smoothly while VB don't? Guess only MS knows.

It is this interoperability I cherish in Linux and Mac that I don't enjoy in Windows. I can run Eclipse for app development on Linux, Windows and Mac and they all work well. I can run it on Windows XP and Win2003 fine. I can run open source databases on all platforms, I can run web servers and application servers that are open source on all platforms. Yet my antivirus and antispyware can't be ported so easily from Win XP to Win2003. Why is that? Even when they say they support Vista, Win2003 is out of luck. I can't run an open source VoIP server on my Win2003 box because my Creative Live sound card(from 2003) is not supported by Win2003 and Creative doesn't support it either. Works fine with Windows XP and Linux though.

So it seems to me that although the options seem vaster with Linux they are more impacting with Windows. Each distro is but a customization of Linux that doesn't impair you from installing apps which are not on the distro. Each Windows version does seem to be a world in its own. A world that commits you to certain strict guidlines. You can not easily add features to Vista Home Basic to make it Business. Something that is trully trivial with Linux. On top of that you add backward compatibility issues, high prices and an inmature platform called Vista which is being forced down consumers throats and you have a problem.

Finally regarding your "money" issues with Red Hat and similar companies billing for their product. Who cares? They are free to charge for their services and whatever particular add on they wish to add to Linux and we are free to choose to pay for it or not. Once again a benefit of options which is lacking in the Windows world.

Windows Vista struggling in Korean market

http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/digihunter/post.htm?id=63000703

Quotes from the link;
"The entire internet banking sites, internet stock market sites, online stores and portal sites requires ¡°Active X¡± solution to browsing and use all the features without problems. The problem is some of sites still not fully support Windows Vista. All brand new PC came with Windows Vista and many customers are having difficulties from new OS GUI as well as comparability with existing sites which they used to visit and spend most of time during the internet browsing"

"It seems Korean market still need another year to be suitable to use Windows Vista to do all the work and internet browsing without any difficulties."

Thread: Comments for: "Microsoft To Extend Windows XP Deadline For OEMs"

http://www.crn.com/channelcommunity/thread.jspa?threadID=1779
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See what real people have to comment on Vi$ta in this link, without the paid Micro$oftie employee bloggers commenting.

ATF pushes Vista upgrades back to 2010

http://www.techspot.com/news/26846-atf-pushes-vista-upgrades-back-to-2010.html

Quote; "Despite Microsoft's claims of Vista being bigger, better, faster and stronger, they are finding many high-profile organizations unwilling to adopt the new OS. In the U.S., the ATF has opted to forgo upgrading to Vista for a minimum of three more years. As a fairly large Bureau, they represent a substantial amount of existing licenses.

What's worse for Microsoft is that they may be setting an example for other government organizations. Some of the reasons cited are very common ones that can affect large departments and their willingness to upgrade"

New Software Does Not Mean Better Microsoft (VI$TA)

http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2007/09/091207olbv_ms.php

Quotes; "In my research, I interviewed sales staff at several locations, asking their honest opinion of MS Windows Vista. The answers I received included the following:

“It’s OK. I’ve had better.”

“Once you get used to it, I guess it’s all right.”

“I prefer Windows XP, but a lot of people use Vista.” (Of course, they do. It’s loaded into every new computer that’s sold. The consumer has absolutely no choice in the matter.)

The point is not a single salesperson said, “It’s great, I love it.”

Joe Wilcox,

So you see, when you say; "XP's Success Isn't Vista's Failure," that I have to respectfully disagree with you. Also when you say; "Vista has gotten a bad rap, and Microsoft is partly to blame," no, Microsoft is completely to blame for releasing this OS on the public. And of course, the most far off comment you made; "Vista is a good operating system and one that is better than Windows XP." No its not by any means better, its far worse than Windows ME. We all have our off days, keep trying.

(It looks like Portuno Diamo is educating the world!)imo

Hmmm. Looks like the panic has gelled. The truth is VCSY products exist and they are available to VCSY to propel their subsidiaries to front-edge positions in high technology.

The truth is, a Markman hearing in the VCSY v MSFT case will begin in a little over a week that will define precisely the language in the patent, VCSY's claims and Microsoft's claims by November 2. The result of the Markman hearing will result in a finding by the court as to the likelihood VCSY will triumph or fail in the trial against Microsoft.

We have looked at a variety of scenarios that indicate VCSy may have their patented products and patent claims loaded into evaluation projects being pursued by VCSy friends in the software manufacturing and integration industry.

We have also looked at the kinds of products produced after VCSY patents were granted and found no-one who can reliably point to examples of prior art or obvious claims to invalidate the patent (either patent 744, the one being litigated, and 521, the one being held in reserve).

The likelihood Microsoft will be able to cope with a herd of competitors employing the 521/744 patent combination capabilities in their web products while Microsoft fights 744 and is thus cut off from using 521 is very low. The competitors will be able to take the virtualizing powers of 521/744 to commoditize Microsoft products within a short time... most likely before the trial actually begin.

Thus, MSFT will be gambling its existence on the internet with a slim chance of winning the trial given the amount of information already available on the internet regarding MSFT's defense strategy, materials, and history.

I don't know how I could be a criminal because I am an amateur stockholder attempting to defend the reputation of the company I own stock in by exercising my free speech rights on a public forum open to any challenge and any effort to provide contrary information.

I can not be held responsible for posters who hold an opposing position but are unable to express that position rationally or convincingly or unable to even present information that refutes what I've presented.

I will not dumb down just to make pro-MSFT folks feel good. So, I hardly see why someone without a valid reason can get away with calling me a criminal.

Microsoft shareprice is falling in spite of record-making events. I don't see vcsy_stock saying the same thing about MSFT, although the current status of MSFT shareprice indicates the market doesn't believe the assertion MSFT is in good shape.

So, until someone can find some way to disprove what I am saying or can present information to at least present an opposite view, I think I'll just sit here and continue doing precisely what I've been doing. And I look forward to presenting information that may become available from the Markman hearing in Texas so the reader may stay informed.

I'm sure people like vcsy_stock_is_a_scam will continue to slander VCSY's reputation and I'm sure that person will continue to rack up posts that will come back to haunt. Message boards are an increasingly valid form of information for shareholders and the assertion an SEC validated public company can be called a "scam" is likely going to be very important to VCSY management to address legally once this infringement issue is resolved.

So, I feel quite confident pursuing my present course as it's apparent I have beaten all the challengers who've tried to knock this information down. If I were such a criminal, I'm sure somebody would have found a flaw in my reasoning or my information... but, instead, they use the current shareprice of a BB stock under market maker control as their "proof".

The reader is encouraged to do your own study and do your own thinking and take what people like vcsy_stock_is_a_scam post as self-serving FUD.

vista is't user friendly

I-Man, are you belong to the Russian spam gang ?

To everyone
Today I tried to go and have a look at Microsoft Watch's sister site "linux watch".
Specially after the post that Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols did entitled "Night of the living Vista" where demonstrated how little he knows about Vista, and even though he didn't know that much he very vigorously canned it, and got quite a few bits of truth out the door.
I tried to place a comment on this inaccurate reporting and was told that I was "BANNED" !!!
Nice way of limiting anyone who does not agree with you isn't it !!
At least Joe Wilcox isn't that bad, and in this instance I would give Joe 10 out of 10 for at least looking at other peoples point of view.
But Steven J, Vaughan Nichols 0 out of 10.

Neil, why don't you just enjoy the holiday. Come back on tuesday and post something on topic.

Regards

I disagree Joe. The success is the ONLY threat of any substance to Vista. Public opinion counts a great deal, even if the opinion has been formed by FUD. If the public believe Vista not to be that good they will keep XP if they have the choice, regardless even if Vista is better than XP (My opinion is its debatable)

Also, don't forget that MS plans to release the next version of Windows by 2010. 2 Years is not a long time to wait. And if the only uptake of Vista is on the sales of new machines then Vista may not be a success at all considering the size of the presently installed user base.

I cannot see organisations willing to stump up the money to migrate to Vista and spend a lot of money retraining everyone when XP works fine for them.

Personally I think Vista will never be a success like XP was. It was rushed out of the gate and failed to deliver on a lot of the promises. Its major selling point is increased security over XP. However after 5 years of field experience the security expert in the organisations are not going to go with an unknown factor by installing Vista. They probably have got XP locked down tight enough and therefore Vista has nothing to offer over XP.

In fact, the increased hardware requirements outweigh the additional security requirements.

And Neil, if you kept on topic more you might find you wouldn't be banned. I am surprised Joe puts up with you the amount of off topic posts you spurn.

I think a lot of people also miss a significant issue with Vista. Our reason is based on security and disaster recovery. We will not load software(aka operating system) that can be remotely disabled by the vendor. If the vendor can do it, someone else will find a way. We consider this a native security breach, i.e. a security breach built into the product. Also reference a �can of worms� and �backdoors�.

To suggest that Vista will not succeed is lunacy...

That depends on how success is measured in these circumstances. In other words, if success is not a measure of quality then Vista will succeed. If, on the other hand, quality is the primo facto...then you could have kissed Hasta La Vista Baby a long time ago.

Let's face it...this is not FUD, small group rumblings, or Linux/Apple buffs trying to shove Vista out; rather it is a fact that this operating system called Vista is an embarrassment. To suggest otherwise really is lunacy.

A key issue for me is the apparent lack of meaningful effort put forward by MicroSoft to come to market with their "latest and greatest" OS.

With all the resources at their disposal (money, the best and brightest technical staff, etc.), Vista should have been the dawn of a new computing experience.

The apparent lack of Vista's innovative, I mean really NEW features, and all the technical and user interface issues discussed here and elsewhere, is like them saying " ... we could/should have done better but, oh well, here's Vista ...".

In contrast, the poorly funded, poorly publicized, Linux/OpenSource distributions , continue to attract the attention (and harddrives) of users and companies looking for "something better".

True, Vista will not be the demise of MS but, so far " it ain't helpin' ".

I'm an IT consultant and im proud to announce ive formatted 450 windows vista machines back to windows XP to date

I have also prevented at least 1000 windows vista sales

I'll take windows XP, and more importantly MAC OS anyday over windows vista......

windows vista will never make it onto any of my networks ever.

Interface - sucks
Speed - sucks
what does it do better than XP or a MAC? nothing....

You have to be color-blind to use Vista. The colors feel like vomit.

Vista is a total wreck. Period.

As someone who had tested Longhorn from the early days of developement, I had high hopes of what it would eventually become. The LH project was reset and [re]developement continued. Still, the hopes were there. As the later Alpha and BETA stages progressed, it started to look as though the new OS would not live up to the expectations of the previous LH builds. I opted to stop any further testings.

I later received a copy of Vista Business from my work place. The sheer amount of bugs that still plague Vista today is astounding. The performance is horrendous. The system specs required to get a satisfactory experience from the OS is rediculous. I upgrade my machine 3 times a year to the latest and greatest to keep up with the ever expanding H/W market and I think it's absolutely absurd to HAVE to have a gaming rig to use this OS effectively.

To answer another article on here about how much I would pay for Vista, I received it for free and I still want a refund. 5+ years and 5+ billion in developement costs and Vista is what they come up with. Hopefully, Windows Seven will be better. Anything would have to be.

It's time for a rewrite and it's time to drop the legacy code.

I have to disagree that somehow, an OS that is supposedly "better" than XP is necessarily a good OS. XP itself is barely adequate; Vista is a resource-hungry monster that spends much of its time making sure I'm not trying to copy CD's. Oh, that's right, it's *my* computer, so I guess it's spending my time watching me. Except that, fortunately for me, I don't have Vista on any of my computers...

I believe that Microsoft has shot itself in the foot with Vista. Companies aren't switching to Vista because they are afraid that their hardware won't work with it. I've already seen cases in which hardware that was bundled with a Vista machine was incompatible with Vista.

You need 2 Gig of RAM to run Vista, despite claims that you can run it using less. It's a hog.

Contrast this with Ubuntu, which has a simple installation process, uses far fewer resources, and is compatible with a wide range of hardware. Just a year ago, I'd have never recommended any Linux distro to anyone who wasn't highly computer-literate. Now I wouldn't hesitate.

Mr. Wilcox stated: "Vista will succeed. To suggest otherwise is lunacy." Claiming that any statement is "lunacy" doesn't make that statement false. Perhaps Mr. Wilcox could confine himself to facts.

Well, as grandfather would say. You can only sugar coat a turd so-much until you have to eat the messy poo, which in this case be VISTA. HASTA la VISTA, I say...Baby.

I heard about vista having problems, but when i ordered my new dell computer with 2G ram and a quad processor, i thought the problems by and large had been worked out and i would have a blinding fast computer, i have had it now for a little over a month, and i am close to pulling my hair out over this piece of crap software. I'm near shock that it under performs my 6 year old dell that ran on service pack win xp pro by 66%. 66% SLOWER! crashes easier and annoys me to screams with this cancel/allow nonsense. i am severely disappointed. i cant function being so frustrated like this. i don't know what the writer is on, but its NOT a good operation system, but it IS a good VIRUS, thats what i have come to believe, VISTA IS A VIRUS, the most pernicious one i have come to face with, it slows down, crashes my computer, spies on my files and annoys me. i give MS all the credit in the world for the biggest con job of the last generation, selling a virus as a operating system.
I am in the middle of writing both microsoft and dell for conning me. i bit hook, line and sinker.

The VISTA WOW experence.
WOW I could of had a real OS!
Keep XP can VISTA!

Your article sounds very biased. Microsoft has been building on top of a bad operating system instead of rebuilding and fixing their poorly designed OS. Sure blame the OEMs and how dare them put components that Vista won't support. Microsoft should adapt, they are not the intimidating force they once where. The day Microsoft delivers an operating system that its not bloated or relies on ridiculous specs, that day sir, hell will freeze over.

I've had Vista Home Premium for about two months,
at first it was interesting and even pretty to look at. But now that I'm trying to do productive work, it still looks pretty. Doesn't do much, sometimes it doesn't do anything at all. Heaven forbid if I have to move a good number of files - I collect images from friends and create collages, create photo slides for them, or organize and archive their images. I'd take my laptop to their house, connect to their network or copy them from their external drive. I've learned if it's over 2k of images, it sits there and calculates how many of files to move. Sometimes, if it's more excessive, it just dies and I have to reboot. Why it calculates? Uh, to determine the size required on target drive. If it does not fit, it won't move the source images.
Nice feature until you try to replace a directory or resume a copy that was interrupted because Vista locked up because memory/virtual memory was depleted. Then you don't have the option of moving the directory - even though you know that you are replacing instead of adding a directory. Some of the images are 1.5m in size, and space becomes an issue very quickly. I used to deal with CD's, now it's DVDs with less images per media. That's another story. Anyway, back to my rant; it's more cumbersome, less productive, and more frustrating than W2k and Xp. I think I'm ready to give Mac a try. I'll have to charge my friends a little more. But, hey I'm here for a finite time, no need to quibble about a few dollars if I can work faster to do the things I really enjoy.

XP = Administrator
Vista = Standard User

Visualize all the small and medium-sized businesses out there who think XP is good enough. Then visualize a large bright red bullseye painted on the back of each of their monitors

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When I first opened the box of my notebook I rather enjoyed the new interface of Vista. I must say, I was getting tired of the XP desktop. But the honeymoon ended rather quickly. I found that I was unable to get my work done. Almost every time I walked away to a meeting or extended phone call I came back to a blue screen. My replacement notebook did not seem to perform much better than the one it replaced. I had network connectivity issues and just a lot of bugs and problems.

I was completely certain that I had a hardware issue when the manufacture of my notebook made reformat my disk with the recovery DVD. After doing that the hardware started working again. Windows completely melted after just a few months of use.

I defected to Linux.

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My main problem with Vista, is that it seems like Microsoft went to great lengths to change things based on asthetics rather than performance, a majority of users do not want to upgrade to a system with "speed bumps" and fancy bubbly graphics, and anyone that does, does not have system performance in mind. Any sensible user just wants something that can run smooth and is simple to use. Vista's only good feature is the windows media center, the ability to easily watch Television from your pc is pretty cool. But it's only a matter of time before Vista's OS is cracked and malware and the like will have an easier time soaking up Vista's resources than XP.

"Vista wasn't better enough, which isn't the same as bad."

The fact that you say Vista wasn't better ENOUGH, does indeed suggest that it is bad... I don't think anyone feels like Microsoft deserves a pat on the back for effort.

What I don't understand is why so many things had to be changed, XP is based on the same ideas of many previous windows versions, which is what made it so wonderful for users, but now Microsoft decided to re-invent the wheel on many aspects. Vista is just silly, better luck next time Microsoft.

I bought an HP 9250 laptop later last year, 2007 with Vista on it. It was sluggish, and ran so hot that the labels stuck onto it (with customer support contact info, etc), had been scorched to the point where much of the text was unreadable.
The system had numerous bugs. Opening and closing many tabs in IE...after a few days of opening and closing tabs, the right mouse button would stop working on ALL applications (not just IE). If not rebooted, and opening and closing some more tabs, the left mouse button would stop working too, and I would have to reboot (losing some of my work). The find file utility and its interface was unusable, impossible to find any files. Files copied to my documents would get lost. A copy of files to an external hard disk did not copy some files, and did not report that the files were not copied. In the end I have been using my 3 year old laptop with XP, ever since buying my new laptop (which cost $3k). I finally managed to install XP on my new laptop. It was a big ordeal, and HP gave me no useful help in doing so. Now I have XP, my new powerful laptop runs so well! Vista has cost me a lot of my time and given me big frustration! My new laptop runs cool and is very responsive, now that I have got XP on to it!