Joe said: "Anyone else remember when a Windows version went from beta directly to RC? I sure as hell don't."

Joe we're seeing Microsoft do many things that they couldn't do or attempt to do publicly before settling with V in July of 08

"Historically the Release Candidate has signaled 'we're pretty close and we want people to start testing the release, especially because all the features are done.'"

This must be the Microsoft way of releasing software. As far as I know an RC is 'what we are going to release unless there are any last-minute bugs'. Literally a candidate for release.

All the testing should have been done by the time an RC is released. Beta is the time for testing and fixing bugs.

This is certainly going to be an exciting arrival. I have been running Windows 7 Beta and I have enjoyed its features thoroughly, the improved performance, compatibility and new features like Homegroups, Network Backup and Libraries.

And the consumer (retail, business, etc.) will be charged a full upgrade cost to simply get the Vista we should have received in the first place with Vista.

Win 7 is Vista SP3 (since SP2 is due out at SOME point...) and we all know it. There's no way MS could have done enough in such a short time frame to justify calling this a true Version 7... split the differene and call it either 6.5 or Vista+.

So.. how many people are going to be willing to double-dip just to get the product they deserved two years ago? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

I sure hope that they fix the UAC flaw before they start shipping:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090130/uac-security-flaw-windows-7-beta-proof/

JKretz, Microsoft has always done a great job of determining the price which maximizes their revenue- and they will do it again here. Since consumers WILL be willing to pay, even if they grumble and whine, Microsoft is just about 100% certain to set a relatively high price.

Joe, you recently had a column in which MS appeared to be planning for early 2009. I replied to that one, "I don't think so-- they totally missed the Back-to-School and Holiday Seasons with Vista, they won't make that mistake twice." And this post seems to support my contention: Microsoft needs to go "Gold" before August 1, their OEMs demand it.

So they're gonna try for quality, but even if it isn't REALLY ready, it'll be shipped. MS is driven by revenue; 2009 revenue depends on W7 available for the two big shopping seasons, and so whatever they have *will* be declared ready to go at that time. It's Date-driven, not Quality driven.

Even though my own bits of software tend to be "quality first!!!", if I were in Ballmer's and Sinofky's shoes at Microsoft, I'd do as they are doing. They MUST meet that date, or a bunch more OEM's will start selling Linux boxes. Vista is absolutely dead, it's already rotting and stinking, Microsoft needs to bury it FAST.

It is a Welcome suprise to see 7 live up to the hype that Vista was suppose to. While I am exicted about 7, my 20 years of experience with MS products tells me to wait before jumping on the band wagon.

I am not anti-MS, but I am not pro-MS either. When I pay good money for something, I want it to work (Vista was no exception and I refused to buy it). MS charges a LOT for its products and we as consumers should expect no less from them. I think MS has finally listened with 7. And how could they not listen with the absolute consumer rebellion against Vista?

I have a lot of faith of what Joe is saying here in this article. I say that because Joe has been honest when MS has been wrong in the past (unlike some of the ceaseless pro-MS 'feature rich' bloggers we see from time to time).

rickst29 :
"Even though my own bits of software tend to be "quality first!!!", if I were in Ballmer's and Sinofky's shoes at Microsoft, I'd do as they are doing. They MUST meet that date, or a bunch more OEM's will start selling Linux boxes. Vista is absolutely dead, it's already rotting and stinking, Microsoft needs to bury it FAST."
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Totally agree and well said rickst29. Before readers forget, Windows Seven is Vista, with a service pack thrown in, a few UI changes, a taskbar change, a few tweaks and stopped services, and a new name. You are basically paying again for the same old tired NT code, no matter how many bug fixes. Why should you have to pay for bug fixes, service packs and UI changes that nobody asked for?

Windows 7 is not a Service Pack. For someone who does not use Windows Chips, you shouldn't be coming to reckless conclusions. Windows 7 builds on Vista yes. Microsoft has done this with past releases, Windows XP was built on Windows 2000 technology, XP Professional x64 was built on the Windows Server 2003 code base. So, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact its one of the best things, it guarantees that investments made in Windows Vista/Server 2008 SP1 will be carried forward.

Windows 7 features a compelling user interface with a lot more focus on giving the user more control while also interacting in more innovative ways with your data. If you look at a feature such as Federated Search, users will be better able to harness a lot of the built in facilities that makes it more natural to find and organize data from multiple sources.

If the NT code base is tired, I guess you can apply that to Linux and OS X too since their inception is around the same time as NT in the late 80's to early 90's. Windows NT is very portable and flexible platform, we can see this through the years, it has ran on many different processor architectures and supports many embedded devices and lets not forget the large developer base that continues to build on it and bring innovative products and services to market.

So, trying to say Windows 7 is not great Chips is rather close minded and naive. Check out the facts and stop suffering from your internal jealousy.

Joe Wilcox says:
"It's now quite safe to speculate that Seven will release to manufacturing before June 30, the end of Microsoft's fiscal year. If Microsoft can make April 30, OEMs will have time to get new Windows 7 PCs on store shelves for the back-to-school season. Microsoft partners couldn't ask for much better than that."
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It should not be a surprise that M$ can rush Seven out, when you look at what it really is, just Vista with a few possible improvements. This is not a "major" release, and for that matter, its not even a minor release, as far as code changes. Some of us have been predicting that early release for a long time now, its good you see that its entirely possible for a release as early as April this year.

The possible problems I see, is if IE8 is not ready, then it would ship with IE7. The other major problem will be what to do with the European version, as the EU could make Microsoft make changes.

The real upgrade path from XP, is not to Vista7, as that will require as a rule, new computers. Linux dual booting with XP is the real upgrade path for those new to Linux.
www.distrowatch.com download and try linux for free

"All the testing should have been done by the time an RC is released. Beta is the time for testing and fixing bugs."

It's an additional step to try and avoid show-stopper bugs. When you're dealing with hundreds of millions of users, you take extra precautions from those with 500 or 5000.

Andre Da Costa :
When will you answer the questions about the free laptops and the free desktop computers from MS and its partners?

I will expand on the questions that Goblin has more than politely asked you many times now.

Why should we have any trust in anything you have to say, as you refuse to state that you do not receive money or goods, directly or indirectly from a 3rd party, that is provided by Microsoft.

It is true that your website is running on Live.com, was setup by MS, and is maintained by MS?

Is it true that the site you post on are by some of the most outspoken M$ shills (MVP's) on the internet, and are for are purposes, the same as the tarnished "just the facts" types of schemes and websites that Microsoft uses and ran?

How has the reduction in M$ marketing money affected your bottom line? LOL
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For the rest of you, that cannot stand the unethical posting of M$ shills, and the high prices of buggie software, there is this:

www.distrowatch.com download a free to try, and use linux distro Chips recommends Mepis, PCLinuxOS

Get the MONKEYboy off your back and out of your wallet.

Hi Chips!
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Whilst Andres answer clearly states he was not at the PDC 2008, the other question has not been answered!
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I dont think it unfair that if Andre remains silent people could draw inference from that silence.
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@Andre Da Costa
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Have you ever recieved a gift/freebie/review (or whatever you want to call it) piece of hardware from Microsoft and/or its affiliated partners?
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Would you like to explain the photographs that Chips linked to where you are proudly displaying a laptop and waving for the camera? (should you have lost these Ive taken copies, and I can re-publish if you require)

I can categorically deny that I have ever received a laptop from Microsoft. However I did attend a Visual Studio Day and received a Microsoft 64Meg USB Key (the smallest free USB key I have, but its the thought that counts). Its nice that many seminars and presentations give you the material on an USB key now rather than a CD, since then the media is somewhat useful after the material is outdated.
To re-iterate, anyone updating to Win7 is only going to screw up their computer. But if you've been holding off buying a new computer because you don't want Vista, XP, MacOS or Linux, then maybe once Win7 ships on new computers it will be a decent time to jump back in.
But watch the prices, if there is an initial price jump, then wait for the boxing day sales since the prices should come down again once the initial rush is over.

Windows Live Spaces anyone can sign up for with a Windows Live ID or Hotmail account. Yes, its own and operated by Microsoft under the Windows Live division, but so are many free services. If I manage my photos in Windows Live Photo Gallery 2009 (check out the free facial recognition features - Apple is charging you for that with iLife '09), or chat with my friends using Windows Live Messenge 2009, does that mean, my family and friends belong to Microsoft?

Chips, you are clearly confused and need to get your facts straight. Its quite obvious, you people just don't like to a successful Company such as Microsoft make great software that people enjoy using and are accomplishing everyday task with. Instead all you do is spread misinformation, focus on stuff that is just in the dead end. Still, people are informed enough to know what is right and I am glad I can help bring clarity to it. People world wide (over 200 million) are enjoying the benefits and rich experiences Windows Vista and Windows Live delivers, a platform that delivers real value and choice.

I don't know why anyone is suprised the beta is going straight to RC and out the door soon.

Anyone who's run the beta knows the thing is pretty much ready to go as is.

I'm never been that impressed with any beta from MS before. I would run it on my main home and work PCs if it wasn't for the August expiry date.

Andre Da Costa says:
"Yes, its own and operated by Microsoft under the Windows Live division, but so are many free services."

Is this Andre admitting that Andre's website is "owned and operated by Microsoft" as some sort of "just the facts" type of propaganda operation.

Come on Andre, fess up, come clean, it will do you good. People see though you and Micro$oft, they know you receive money and gifts to deceive them. Your words will not carry any weight until you own up to your relationship with M$ and its partners, and front organizations, that are paying to blog. Only then can you have meaningful discussions.

By operated, means maintained, including the material posted on that site. It means that M$ is running, operating, maintaining, advertising, and generally running the site, rather than just hosting it on their service.

But then, what would you expect, Andre posts so often, he does not have time to "operate, or maintain" his, or should I say, M$ site that Andre says is his.

To Andre Da Costa :

What a hypocrite you are, are you?

I only can understand your attitude from the possibility of losing your 'job' (Joe;Microsoft fired product evangelists last week. Lots of them.) if receiving crumbs of MS can be called 'job'

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Andre Da Costa :Andre Da Costa :"Acer Ferrari 5000 I received in January of 2007 "
quoting:
"It was a review unit delivered to a group of 90 bloggers on behalf of "AMD", "ACER INC" and MICROSOFT."

That was the first laptop

The following laptops :
Goblin : "Would you like to explain the photographs that Chips linked to where you are proudly displaying a laptop and waving for the camera? (should you have lost these Ive taken copies, and I can re-publish if you require)"

Nope doesn't suprise me they're getting this out fast.

Windows XP was released in 2002. Windows 2000 well 2 years earlier. XP was built on 2000's foundation. 7 is built on vista's. It's not like they're reinventing the wheel.

And sure maybe they could have done this with a service pack. But with the performance, stability, UI, and backup/maintnence improvements I'm willing to shell out some bucks for upgrade disks.

And no Micrsoft didn't send me no free Laptop. But if there's a place where I can sign up for one let me know.

@TA.

I installed in on my gaming rig last night. I used Acronis to Image my PC. I'll restore it when the August expiration hits. I'm actually going to miss that beta when it dies.

So far everything works flawlessly on it. My gaming rig is a monster. 6 gigs of memory and a quad core processor with Dual SLI enable Nvidia 9800 GTX. It's the only gaming rig I've bought pre built. It's one of HP's Blackbird 002. I feel absolutely decadent spending that kind of money on a high powered toy. But meh... Might as well enjoy life before the rescession destroys us all.

Windows 7 Freaking flies on it. Of course with that kinda horse power anything would.

To NKnow :
Bad timing my friend, now MS is fired people (you don't see MS'desperate people?-like Andre-) maybe you will have luck in the future.

What's Microsoft laying of folks have anything to do with my Gaming rig?

I'm going to get years of great service out of it. And 7 will be released. If not I continue to game on it with Vista.

I don't work for Microsoft. I don't blog for them either. And I have a solid stable job at a non publicly traded company that doesn't fire people because they didn't meet expectations by a couple of percentage points.

Oh let me guess.... If I have anything less than positively damning to say about Microsoft products.... I must be a shill.

I agree with Andre Da Costa :P

@Andre;

So, Andre, what's up? I don't understand why you do not answer the darn question posed (in many times) by Goblin or chips.

What do you have to hide?

You wrote: "This is certainly going to be an exciting arrival. I have been running Windows 7 Beta and I have enjoyed its features thoroughly, the improved performance, compatibility and new features like Homegroups, Network Backup and Libraries."

First off, there's a few issues I have with these so-called features. Before I begin, let me say some things here. I have Vista, and it's still in the Box -- Sure I tried it, and personally I didn't have much issue with it, I mean it didn't BSOD not once. But it's a damned dog and is slow, too slow, and I have an Intel Quad-Core with more memory that is necessary, 8 gigs. I won't go into anymore detail. But the operating system is just too slow for a guy like me.

I'll stick with my XP SP3 and all the specific third party applications that I bought and payed for. They work just fine.

I have absolutely no need for "Homegroups" I have a box with a Server OS on it, that serves many little roles. I realize that "Homegroups" might be good for someone, but not everyone.

Network Backup... That's useless. It's a direct rip from Server 2008 and its trash. Sure if a person wants to back up an entire disk, it's slightly helpful unless Microsoft releases an update or and upgrade, then your former backed up images are useless. I'm sorry, Andre, but I've been stung on that BS before.

Also, the backup service is anything but, it's not granular enough. Suppose someone wants to go after backing up only a single directory, or a file? They're SOL. I'm sorry, I'm sticking with Symantec's Network Backup and Ghost. What happens when you want to automatically back up said critical when the Threat Level throughout the Internet is rising, will your Microsoft automatically and painlessly back up your life's work. Also, how about the fact that you want to take the image and put it on another machine not running Windows Seven?

Symantec doesn't care even if it is Linux, it will do it, I know I've done it with my Linux box.

Now, Microsoft has come along way in shoring up some security issues, and has too long to go just to offer a Service Pack, Seven is 6.1 anyway, that's a Service Pack, no matter what people may say, same darn kernel.

I guess by now, you're figuring I'm not a shill, and not to worry, I am not picking on your personally. But, why in God's name would anyone trust Microsoft with security products and services when they can't even begin to successfully patch gaping holes in their OS. Listen, I know security is an on going thing, but having said this, I am going to trust Microsoft over Symantec's Cooperate Anti-virus or EndPoint Security?

It will be Christmas in Hell before I do that, my friend. Before anyone thinks that I may be a Symantec Shill 'er something. I think that Norton products is just terrible -- The business apps, are a completely different story.

Can anyone here prove to this man, me, why I need anything more that XP Professional SP3?

Why do I need Windows Seven? So far, I have purchased third party software that I already have that does a much better job that whatever Microsoft wants to bundle up in their extortion-aware they call an Desktop OS.

Maybe Steve Ballmer needs to come here and explain to people why we need Vista SE.

I'm a Southside boy from Chicago, and I think the only thing Microsoft's and has been doing is extortion for some time with its users.

Marco, get a grip of yourself. I can't believe this negativity is over a laptop. It shows how immature and misinformed you are. Windows Vista is a great release of Windows, its too sad people who have never used it choose to say things that are not true. Its not our fault Linux has had nearly 20 years to take off but because of its lack in focus on what end users want is killing it. 2008 was suppose to be the year of Desktop Linux, but it looks like another failed premonition. Linux was suppose to dominate Netbooks, but Windows has ended up dominating that category with 80% of the market. With Windows 7 coming in the future, I am sure its 100%.

Chips, Marco, Goblin, accept it, Windows is a better OS than Linux and OS X. It just works, its secure, manageable and provides the best flexibility for end users and IT Pro's to get their work done. Whatever wrong you see in that has left you a minority in the world of technology. Even sensible open source users can see that Windows is a superior platform.

Joe see's it, Mark Shuttleworth see's it, so why can't you? Why do you intentially block your minds from the truth. You need to go out, pick up a licensed copy of Windows Vista, install it on your PC and thoroughly enjoy all the rich, compelling innovative features this release has ushered in over the past 2 years. Its beautiful, secure, very easy to use, highly compatible and it just works.

And here all along, I thought I was the Sci-Fi writer...

Andre wrote:

"...Its beautiful, secure, very easy to use, highly compatible and it just works..."

So is Windows 2000 Professional, and XP Professional -- They just do it a whole hell of a lot faster.

I beg your pardon, il mio amico

NKnow : Quoting:
"Micrsoft didn't send me no free Laptop.But if there's a place where I can sign up for one let me know."

Bad timing my friend, now MS is firing people (you don't see MS' people run desperately?-like Andre-) maybe you will have luck in the future.

But... really I am NOT sure that you haven't your MS'laptop with you NOW.
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Ha,ha,ha
If somebody had any doubts about Douglas S. Taylor (Shiller condition),they were cleared. Thanks Dr doug and its van.

Thanks Marco...

By they way, I sold my PC business a while back. I am a full time author now and really enjoy doing what I do.

As for the Van, I donated it to the Youth Soccer Team here. Tax write-off.

Cheers!

@Andre Da Costa
Answer the question.
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Quote "I can't believe this negativity is over a laptop."
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Is not an answer. Dont play the fool Andre, if you did recieve a laptop, your refusal to answer the question (IMO) implies you dont want it known. If you did receive one I wonder how people would view your MS opinion?
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Quote Andre "Windows Vista is a great release of Windows, its too sad people who have never used it choose to say things that are not true."
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Lies. I do use it Andre. I develop software on the damn platform. (although I have no such issues with XP) Andre judging by your photo's I am at least 10 years your senior. I was coding as a hobby since the days of the ZX-Spectrum.

I have been with Microsoft/Windows since its inception, and am still with Windows and Microsoft products today (albeit at work only)
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In addition I have used Linux systems for many years, and I believe I am at least a "little bit" experienced to comment on both systems.
Unlike you Andre, who champions the only one OS (as you dont seem to have experience with anything else) I am constantly learning using new platforms, infact if you visit my site (which I know you have done ;)) you will see my latest feature was on AROS. I have experience with FreeBSD and Ive probably tried more distros of Linux than youve had Windows crashes...no scrub that, I dont think that many distro's are about.
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Andre you are a bad advert for Microsoft IMO (Unlike Jess) You posts are blatant, dull and clinical. You have inspired more alternatives posts on this site than any other pro-ms poster (IMO).
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It is my opinion that you put Microsoft in a bad light. The way you are so flippant in regards to serious issues which you fudge away with PR and disregard. If it wasnt so obvious Id say it was a skill.
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Andre, your baiting actions with cheapening of Linux highlights you for the desperate individual you are. If an alternative choice was so bad then why is Microsoft loosing customers?
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Id suggest if you want to retain any sort of posting dignity you be honest about those photographs and answer the question as its worded with a proper answer.
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I will keep asking this question of you until you answer. Do not reword the question or be vague with the answer. The first part needs a YES or NO answer and the second part is really out of courtesy to any readers you may have. Why wont you answer?
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If you refuse to answer, people may draw inferences from that silence.

Maybe Ridley needs to return to distract us again?
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Have you ever recieved a gift/freebie/review (or whatever you want to call it) piece(s) of hardware from Microsoft and/or its affiliated partners?
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Would you like to explain the photographs that Chips linked to where you are proudly displaying a laptop and waving for the camera? (should you have lost these Ive taken copies, and I can re-publish if you require)

Andre,
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I believe your comment of "its secure, manageable and provides the best flexibility for end users and IT Pro's to get their work done" will come back and haunt you.
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and in anycase, if what you said was true, Windows didnt turn out to be very secure for the RAF or the Royal Navy did it? Lets not forget either about the numerous victims of malware on the Windows platform.

Suppose India succeeds with their $10.00 laptop:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Rs_500-laptop_display_on_Feb_3/articleshow/4049914.cms

Suppose the price point of PCs and Laptops drops down to the level of DVD players? Will Win7 run on these? If these become popular, and why wouldn't they at this price, does this really introduce a mass market alternative to WinTel? Just starting in India with 1 billion customers and spreading from there. Is this the real end of Windows?

@Joe Wilcox

Joe, I really hate saying this, but the comments section of whatever you write these days are more exciting than your articles -- I mean, as far as entertainment purposes goes.

Hey, a quick story -- A friend of mine went down to WalMart to purchase a license copy of Vista. I would have given her my legal copy as a free gift. Anyway, she gets all the way back here and tells me about it. I recommend previously that she shouldn't upgrade her Gateway, though Vista would run on it.

She is excited, and opens up the box and finds that the DVD Installation disk is cracked and cannot use it. Oh, god did I laugh my backside off on that one.

You see, Andre, there is a god out there, it's just not Steve Ballmer, Billy Gates, or whomever you think you work for at Microsoft.

Long story short, she took it back, Wal-Mart refund her the money, and she bought a Nintendo WII.

To Douglas S. Taylor :
My congratulations Dr Doug!
... good timing.... and good timing of those little and prudent animals(the name.. what is the name?) who leave the boat when it's sinking
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But I beg your pardon I know that you understand that after your many lies I could some doubts
serious about you... still.
(I am betraying for my human nature)

Windows 7 less annoying, but also less secure?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10153817-56.html
Microsoft's efforts to make Windows 7 less annoying than Vista may also be making it less secure than its predecessor.

With Windows Vista, the operating system popped up a warning any time a major change was being made to the system, whether by the OS or by a third-party application. With Windows 7, users can choose how often to be notified, with the current default set to notify only when a third-party application is making a change.

Blogger Long Zheng, however, is drawing attention to an apparent shortcoming in that approach. Because changes to the user account control setting itself are being made within the OS--and not by a third party--malicious code could turn off such alerts entirely with the user getting little notice that such a change had been made. Zheng said he and fellow blogger Rafael Rivera have come up with a simple proof-of-concept code to show the vulnerability.

Microsoft is trying to thread a difficult needle here. The prompts issued by the User Account Control program, though annoying, help alert users to changes to their system. But if the prompts are so annoying that people turn off the setting--or stick with older operating systems--than things aren't secure either.
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Errrr...

But I beg your pardon I know that you understand that after your many lies I could some doubts
serious about you... still.
I am being betrayed for my human nature (mistrust)

@Everyone
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Whilst Andre Da Costa is making comments that Windows is secure and implying that Linux is a dead platform, readers may be interested in exhibits in the Comes V Microsoft case:
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Exhibit px06782
"As I mentioned at the retreat we have a huge problem with Intel going against us with Linux."
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A very small part of a much larger set of exhibits, you can read the whole article at:
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/30/microsoft-intel-anti-linux/
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After youve answered the question put to you Andre, would you like to comment on this article? Afterall you inspired it with your implication that Linux is being "killed"
When the emails above were sent it was before Linux had recieved the popularity it has today.
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As I say Andre, the one thing your PR posts are very good for is giving us the oportunity to link to reports which counter your PR sheets.

To Taylor:
I was reading your post and I had second thought
Really I hope that you are sincere and not a trojan horse waiting the opportunity to attack. But for this time I have nothing to reproach you, therefore
I am saying (sincerely), welcome to the discussion Douglas S. Taylor

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To Goblin; excellent link

I never did get any free computer from Microsoft.

However I once did receive a free computer from my brother in law, a G3 Mac with OS 9.

Maybe I should write about the richness of OS9 and how it gives people a rewarding experience.

Marco I'll take a free laptop from anyone.

I like free hardware.

Of course if I have to praise the company that sent it..... they'd better get that in writing.

And I did get a free laptop once. Brainshare 2007. A Novell event. It had SLED (SUSE) on it.

I wiped it and Installed XP on it so I could actually get some work done. It's running 7 now and smokin.

@Nknow
"Marco I'll take a free laptop from anyone.
I like free hardware. "
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Yep. Theres a few posters here who like free hardware.
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That reminds me.
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@Andre:
You ready to answer the question yet?

Wow, I must have a bad copy of Window 7 Beta 7000 64 bit. It won't run more than an hour or so without a Blue screen. It can't play thru a CD without crashing. It can't access other computer on my network without hanging. I was expecting a Beta 2, 3, 4 and 5....

I've got an AMD940 in an ASUS MB that's rock solid w/XP....

JB

What a great idea!

Catch the back to school crowd again.

MSFT trashed them a few years ago and, from the looks of it, will do it again. When Mac users merrily go on their way because "it just works" Win7 users will pull their hair out.

Another generation of Mac users will arise.

Go BLOATFARM!!!

JB, please check for updated device drivers and application updates before blaming an operating system that is still in development. Also, if its rock solid with Windows XP, its mostly to be rock solid with Windows Vista.

@Jb
Quote "Wow, I must have a bad copy of Window 7 Beta 7000 64 bit. It won't run more than an hour or so without a Blue screen."
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Im not sure if you have a bad copy, sounds to me like its running perfectly.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5NnSOq9YlOI
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On a serious note:
Andre:
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Have you ever received a gift/freebie/review (or whatever you want to call it) piece(s) of hardware from Microsoft and/or its affiliated partners?
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Would you like to explain the photographs that Chips linked to where you are proudly displaying a laptop and waving for the camera? (should you have lost these Ive taken copies, and I can re-publish if you require)
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DISCLAIMER:
Any blue screen comments are made tongue in cheek. They are not claimed as fact. This disclaimer has to be posted since there are posters who attempt to distort the truth with false implication.

@ JB

Try to reburn the DVD using the slowest speed available. I didn't check to see if there was a checksum, but you might want to see if the numbers add up.

When I burn a Linux ISO, I always use the slowest speed to burn it. The best thing about a ISO, you can burn it on a Windows or Linux machine...it doesn't matter.

All Linux ISO's have a checksum, I would imagine that Windows also does too.

What I do for testing out Linux distributions I always use a spare hard drive and do a clean install after using dban nuke and boot to erase the hard drive. I used the same methods for the Windows 7 Beta.

I can't answer about the 64 bit, but the 32 bit didn't give me any problems except the first serial number didn't work...but the second one did.

As I understand it there are five serial keys for 32 bit and five serial keys for the 64 bit.

If the 64 bit is giving you issues, try the 32 bit. Yea Windows 7 is faster than Vista, but still nothing beats Windows XP for versatility and "relative" stability for newer and older equipment.

Yes Linux will run faster than Windows and is more safer and secure...if you need Windows...stick with XP Pro.

If you want the performance, stability and security of Linux but still need Windows...dual boot!

Good Luck and keep us posted JB.

Whilst Im on the subject of Microsoft...sorry I mean Novell. It appears that Microsofts (IMO) poorer cousin has had one or two layoffs within its fold.
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/31/novell-layoffs-2009/
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Read the report on 25% of Novells workforce allegedly being layed off.
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Makes you wonder how much longer Mono will be the "gift to the world" since Novell sponsors it and is apparently another company struggling.

I covered this a while ago on my site and commented here about it, but it appears the Microsoft meter pay as you play patent has been picked up by another site (on tuesday)
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Read the article here and add it to the Zune World order that Krenshaw spoke about in a previous thread.
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http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/microsofts_metered_pay_you_go_patent_its_trusted_computing_mark_two_worse
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Doesnt the future look bright? Ill make space in the cupboard under the stairs now so I can fit the Microsoft meter.

Andre;
You never should have mentioned that laptop. I swear you will never live it down now. That is all your detractors felt they needed to discredit you about any positive M.S. remarks.

I was glad to see your posts noting the substantial features and improvements of Windows 7. I too am running the beta, and it has been solid enough to be my only O.S.on my main P.C.

I have been more critical of Vista than you. Not because I believe it to be flawed technically. More so lacking the so-called "compelling features" that would give the average P.C. user/Corporation a reason to upgrade from XP. You yourself have stated many of the features and performance gains that make Windows 7 a worthy upgrade.

All the more, by the time of Windows 7's release, it will be 2 1/2 to 3 years from Vista's release and the average P.C. will be substantially faster, while Windows 7 requires no greater specs than Vista. Also, there are a multitude of tests that show Windows 7 to have better performance than Vista or even XP. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/how_fast_is_windows_7_faster_than_you_think

Now, for 6 plus year-old, ready-for-the-heap, seen-better-days, P.C. of yore. If you are tired of XP or Win 2000, I can wholeheartedly recommend Linux. I personally like Ubuntu and Fedora. Just don't plan on using your copies of Quicken, Word, Acrobat, Photoshop, Myst, Doom, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Max Payne. Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore.

" Andre Da Costa :

Marco, get a grip of yourself. I can't believe this negativity is over a laptop. It shows how immature and misinformed you are"

Andre, you are missing the point here (as usual). If you got a free laptop from MS to write a review on MS products then that is a conflict of interest. Your credibility is then not objective and is biased. That is the reason for the question.

Did you get a free laptop from MS to review a MS product?

A simple yes/no will suffice.

Hello Ridley, I hope youve spent the last few days preparing your posts better. We dont want you falling into the same holes you did before.
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Moving on, the fact that you say "That is all your detractors felt they needed to discredit you about any positive M.S. remarks" say it all.
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Andre claims not to work for Microsoft. So if he did infact receive a gift, I think it would be a major issue to consider when looking at his posts.
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I wouldnt worry about Andre being discredited, even you (I believe) have disagreed with him. Andre cant even get 100% support from the users of the software he is trying to push. If he has indeed received a gift, I believe he posts in the way he does purely to try and get more. I dont believe MS would pay him for his posts, since nobody here (either pro-ms or not) seems to take him seriously (IMO)
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Jess Meats said straight away that she was a Microsoft employee. Her posts are interesting, thoughtful and IMO personal experience, if anyone should be paid to put Microsoft in a good light it is her. Unfortunately posters like Andre (IMO) cheapen Jess's view.
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The Andres on here dont answer questions, they dont counter with facts, whenever they come across a point they cant think of an answer to they either post some more PR or simply disappear.
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Ridley, Im pleased you mention WoW (World of Warcraft) did you know its been reported that you get better performance from WoW running on Linux (with Wine) than you do on the same machine with XP?
Speaking from personal experience, Gentoo ran it far faster than XP, and even Ubuntu (the slowest IMO of all Linux distros) managed a much smoother experience than through XP. I havent tested the other games you mention, however I think Ill do a little research and see what other software is faster through a Linux platform. Since you started the subject, you wont be able to accuse me of going off topic.
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and also consider Ridley, one of the reasons why Windows (IMO) is not considered the must have OS, is because people have migrated away from the PC as a games machine (IMO regular upgrading and messing around with patches/workarounds) and moved onto the consoles.
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In regards to the utilities "Just don't plan on using your copies of Quicken, Word, Acrobat, Photoshop" - I will have to double check, but I think you will find all of those packages run quite happily under Linux (with Wine/Crossover)
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If anyone is considering making the move to Linux and/or dual booting, have a look at this article. It may remove some of the fears you have from years of Windows use:
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http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/01/it-all-starts-w.html
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Quote "I personally like Ubuntu and Fedora."
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Good way to try and pretend you are impartial. One only has to read your previous posts where youve targetted Linux to draw their own conclusions. LOL Ridley you must think the readers here are stupid. You say you like Ubuntu and Fedora, yet you go on to say "Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore." in regards to them.
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One thing is for certain, I do not believe you to be a Microsoft shill. Microsoft (IMO) would not pay good money for that rubbish.
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But hey, isnt that a recommendation? Ridley likes Ubuntu and Fedora. Maybe if you are thinking of changing platform, you should consider them first.
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Thanks for the post Ridley.

I don't like to add fuel to Andre's fire, but I see MS is getting Live working in other Browsers such as FireFox:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10153155-75.html

I think this is some good pragmatic recognition that IE isn't the only Browser out there. Part of why Google wins all the marketshare growth wars is that Google is in all markets and capitalizes on whichever one is doing well be it Windows, Mac, Mobile, Linux or online Toasters. I think MS is beginning to recognize that with its small market share in mobile and devices, that for its services to have a chance they need to step outside of MS's own platforms.

Ridley :wrote

"Now, for 6 plus year-old, ready-for-the-heap, seen-better-days, P.C. of yore. If you are tired of XP or Win 2000, I can wholeheartedly recommend Linux. I personally like Ubuntu and Fedora. Just don't plan on using your copies of Quicken, Word, Acrobat, Photoshop, Myst, Doom, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Max Payne. Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore."
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How can anyone install those programs (copies) on another Windows computer unless they have a additional license? ..are we missing something here?

Marco says:
"To Douglas S. Taylor :
But I beg your pardon I know that you understand that after your many lies I could some doubts
serious about you... still.
(I am betraying for my human nature)"
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I have some serious doubts about Doctor Doug being impersonated here, or in the past for that matter. First he hasn't been around for awhile, and second, if I remember correctly, Doug was one who converted to Ubuntu and Mac, sang praises of both, for awhile, then told us how bad they were and how great Vista was.

What I see is an endless cycle of Draoi/Ridleys with impersonations thrown in as well. Guess if I was really interested, and wanted to waste my time, I could write an email to Doctor Doug, but I think not. Somehow, it just reads like a bad sci-fi novel.

So what is it about? Is it about distracting? That would be my guess.

@Ralph:
Ridley, our newest softie wrote:
"Just don't plan on using your copies of Quicken, Word, Acrobat, Photoshop, Myst, Doom, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Max Payne. Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore."
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Some of these, perhaps even most or all, do work in Linux. First of all, there might be "free" open source alternatives in Linux for some of these programs. My old Quicken disks were for Dos, and work quite nicely in Dosbox, which is a free program for Linux, that can easily be installed though Synaptic Package manager using the repo's in my Debian based distro. Some versions of Word, or should I say M$ Office work just fine in Wine or Crossover in Linux. But OpenOffice is native and far superior to that piece of spyware. Some version of Photoshop work in Wine/Crossover, I believe, but why do you need that, as Gimp is free and in the repo's for Linux. Myst, the old original disk, not the Gold edition,was only for W95 and W3.1, it will not play in XP or Vista, but does in Wine with the sound off well, glitchy with the sound turned on. Doom, there are free native ports of Doom in the Linux repo's, what could be better? WOW, I don't know, don't ever play it, or have experience with it, same way with the other two games. If anyone is interested in those they could research it at wine.hq or check out the ubuntu forums with a search, or google.

Of course, as a last resort, to get any program/game running you could always run them in XP inside of a virtual machine, or just dual boot XP and Linux, or both VM and dual boot. One doesn't have to give up old software, just to be safer on the internet using Linux to surf and get ones email.
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Microsoft to unblock Windows Service packs
www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2235487/microsoft-unblock-windows

"The company revealed on Thursday that it would be removing the option of blocking the Windows XP SP3 and Windows Vista SP1 updates from the Automatic Update service." (forced upgrades)

Chips recommends legal software, its also free. Openoffice, KOffice, and Abiword. It dosen't spy on you or require 2 or 3 major service packs to fix the bugs either.
www.openoffice.org/
www.abisource.com/download/

Windows 7 beta UAC completely vulnerable to malware

www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41263/108/

" An almost unbelievable flaw in Windows 7 beta and Microsoft's User Account Control (UAC) feature - the one designed to keep all of the annoying messages seen in Vista away from its users - allows its protection to be defeated by any malware which happens to infect the system. The malware needs only to send a series of false keystrokes from a Visual Basic script to activate the UAC dialog, move the slider bar to the disable position, and then save the changes. After that, the program can access protected functions or even reboot the system, thereby gaining full total system access on restart."
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Windows Seven Beta, unsecure on the internet.

Protect yourself and your data, download and use Linux on the internet
www.distrowatch.com

Refering to Smists link about MSlive and firefox after readinding it, it just goes to show that the creative mind is not dead:
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Quote ""We're happy to report that we've officially integrated Live Search into Firefox by popular demand,""
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Eh? ok, thanks Microsoft.

@smist08 - The plugin you talk about is literally 12 lines of XML. It is based on the OpenSearch spec so EXACTLY the same code works on IE as Firefox. IE 7 implemented Open Search because all the search engines and companies like Amazon were writing Open Search plugins for Firefox.

All they did was register an account at Mozilla and upload their 12 lines of boilerplate XML.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/14/466186.aspx

The example they show there is almost the same as the released software.

chips b. malroy :wrote

"Windows 7 beta UAC completely vulnerable to malware"
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Thanks for the info and warning. I have no intention or reason to buy Windows 7. For me I'll stick with Linux and XP.

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I hope MSFT fixes the UAC problem before MSFT officially releases Windows 7 or a lot people will end up getting their computers hosed.

Lets hope the next version of Windows gets its security sorted:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/davos/7862549.stm
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The fact that Windows 7 looks pretty will be of little consolation it if continues the fine tradition of exploits.

Since Ridley mentioned it, I have taken a look into the claims that you cant run the titles he named in Linux. So here is a run down on "Ridleys List"
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Call Of Duty - Yes, better than XP performance is also reported in the reviews when running through Linux. In addition Call of Duty 2 also works, as does Call of Duty 4.
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Max Payne - Yes this works, as does its more recent sequel Max Payne 2.
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World of Warcraft/Lich King - Weve already established that even on a "slow" distro you get better than XP performance.
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Doom - This had to be the most silly of all of Ridleys list, since Doom has been ported to most platforms (including Linux) Even AROS an early release of a AmigaOS type system has a port of it.
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Myst - A very old game, but does work in Linux even the later Master Piece edition.
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Anyone who has been put off using Linux by comments such as Ridleys, just needs to check at:
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http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
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To find out if they can run their favorite package in Linux.

if I could just add though, since there are so many free and (IMO) better free Open Source alternatives to proprietary software, you may want to look at those aswell.
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Moving on (until Ridley posts his next "fact" without thinking) this very site has an article about Enterprise users. "Google Apps draws enterprise users"
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Quote ""Right now we have more than 3,000 businesses every day signing up for [Google Apps], up from 2,000 a day a year ago," Andrew Kovacs, a Google spokesperson, said in an interview. "We're seeing some benefit from current economic conditions, where people are looking to save money, and Google's an easy way for them to do that.""
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Link is either on the right hand side of the screen or here:
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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Web-Services-Web-20-and-SOA/Google-Apps-Draw-Enterprise-Users/?kc=rss
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I just read from The Redmond Developer that Windows 7 has the same requirements as Vista. I guess could mean that Windows 7 might be too
big to fit on the netbooks. So...this seems to mean that XP will be the choice for Windows on these laptops for the foreseeable future?....
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Again, this is not me saying this, but this comes straight from the horses mouth.

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http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/article.aspx?editorialsid=1221

"Windows 7 requirements are not going to be any less than Vista was," says Rob Sanfilippo, lead analyst of development platforms at Kirkland, Wash.-based Directions on Microsoft. "I don't think it's going to make sense right away to run Windows 7 on netbooks. If you want your apps to be good citizens on netbooks, you need to think about what Windows XP supports."

Ive always believed that Win 7 will be impractical on Netbooks even if it can run smoothly.
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Simple reason price. I believe Win 7 on a netbook with the extra kit needed will ruin the whole point of buying one, they are cheap.
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I wait to be surprised. But if MS are going to significantly reduce the cost of Win 7 on netbooks, then thats something the shareholders may want to consider when thinking about their portfolios, especially since many will already have been sold prior to a release of Win 7.

@Ralph
When I wrote of using your copies of Windows software, I was speaking of the 6 year-old Windows computer it was originally installed on. I absolutely do not condone piracy of any software. The software will not run on Linux, except with Wine. None of the software I mentioned will run as well with Linux and Wine as it will with XP. It is glitchy, buggy and crash-prone. I stand by my words, "Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore."

I do use Ubuntu. I install it on old P.C.'s I find or buy. I clean them up, format the HDD, install Ubuntu, configure them and sell them to people on a tight budget. It works great for those happy to just surf the 'net, check e-mail, perform word processing, spreadsheets and other office productivity.

But I have a much richer and enjoyable computing experience on a high-end P.C. with Vista or Windows 7 on it. The GUI is more attractive, it runs all the best software, and is solid and stable. I would never wipe it to put Linux on my new P.C.

I only recommend Linux for those on the tightest of budgets.

Ridley : "Andre;
"You never should have mentioned that laptop. I swear you will never live it down now. That is all your detractors felt they needed to discredit you about any positive M.S. remarks."

No Ridley, Andre NEVER mentioned the laptop.
I discovered it and Andre had no choice but to recognize that (something like the new laptop mentioned by chips and Goblin)

Obviously, that time he did not has to cunning -without scruple- adviser like you, with a philosophy like that; There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. (Stalin) and we all know who is you scoundrel.

Quote Ridley"The software will not run on Linux, except with Wine"
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So it will run on Linux then. Remember Wine is not an emulator, its simply a replacement for the Windows API.
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Quote "None of the software I mentioned will run as well with Linux and Wine as it will with XP. It is glitchy, buggy and crash-prone. I stand by my words, "Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore.""
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Firstly thats wrong, even when "glitchyness" is found, the regular updates correct the problem. Since you should agree consoles are now more of the games machines now, its really bit irrelevant anyway.
Try the software out for yourself or read the many sources on the matter. Wine would not be such a popular tool if it was as buggy as you suggest.
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If you are correct, explain why I get a smoother, quicker and bug free WoW experience through Linux than I do with XP?
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Quote Ridley "I stand by my words, "Pretty much plan on not enjoying your P.C. anymore."
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Firstly I take it as a compliment you would copy my typing style of "standing by my words" the shame is, in your case you are trying to backtrack on your previous post. You mentioned nothing of Wine originally, and now you are trying to suggest that Wine can only run software with bugs. True there are bugs with some software, thats why I linked to:
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http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
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So people can have a look and see if the package they desire can run properly through Linux.

Marco;

Seriously, I remember Andre posting about the laptop back when he first received it. Perhaps he did think anyone would remember. But I remember. I thought it was here on M.S. Watch that he mentioned it. Perhaps it was elsewhere, but he did. I don't remember exactly when it was, but I think he received the laptop with a beta or RC of Vista (or perhaps an RTM before availability to the general public).

I think he should just disclose it and move on. It was a long time ago and it does not mean that what he has to say now is tainted. Biased... perhaps, but I don't think it is still over that 3 year-old laptop. I think he has much to offer us here on M.S. Watch. You have to take what he or just about anyone has to say with a grain of salt. He is extremely pro-M.S., but there are many here who are extremely pro-Linux.

Quote "But I have a much richer and enjoyable computing experience on a high-end P.C. with Vista or Windows 7 on it. The GUI is more attractive, it runs all the best software, and is solid and stable. I would never wipe it to put Linux on my new P.C.
I only recommend Linux for those on the tightest of budgets."
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Thats very nice, im sure people have read your prevous post and are well aware of what you recommend. If you are trying to sell Windows on the fact of it looking pretty, I think you'll find Linux has had those "pretty" features for alot longer. Have a look yourself:
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjSNMRFTjM&feature=related
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And you get this on a 6yr old PC? Thats probably the advert for Linux Ive ever seen then.
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But you still recommend Ubuntu and Fedora? It now appears you are advocating office use and surfing on Linnux aswell (presumably with Open Source Apps, since you claim Wine is buggy). So if consoles are the remit of games, and you can surf and perform office tasks without having to upgrade your hardware, remind me what purpose Windows serves?

Yeah, it works on a 6 year-old P.C., but it has nowhere near the GUI of Windows Vista, let alone Windows 7. It is comparable to Windows 95 perhaps.

Although you can get "comparable" apps for Linux, they are ridiculously homemade looking and far fewer features than Windows software. No, sorry, if you compare the looks, the features, the software it runs; Linux looks, feels and works amateurishly in comparison to Windows. That's just the facts.

Ridley :"But I remember. I thought it was here on M.S."

RUBBISH and it prove my point: "cunning -without scruple- adviser like you, with a philosophy like that; There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. (Stalin) and we all know who is your scoundrel."

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Andre Da Costa :

Gerado, for me when it comes to Microsoft Office and upgrading to newer releases of it, its a case of new functionality while using my existing skills and knowledege of the product. Compatibility is an important factor too and seamless integration across the applications makes it a number 1 choice not to mention the rich feature set and functionality.

As for premium, yes, that does exist on the PC side, but a Acer Ferrari 5000 I received in January of 2007 would have cost more if it was a similarly configured MacBook Pro.

Chips, keep that garbage called OO.org away from computers. Any computer I see it on, I have a copy of Office 2003 Pro to install on that machine - and yes, I remove OO.org. I rarely see OO.org by the way traded through CDs, its user base has grown exponentially through accidental downloads when people Google for free Microsoft Office.
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Marco:
Ha, ha, ha
Andre Da Costa :"Acer Ferrari 5000 I received in January of 2007 "

: http://laughingsquid.com/microsoft-sent-a-free-laptop-with-windows-vista/
Quote:Microsoft Sent An Acer Ferrari Laptop With Windows Vista: Scott Beale on Tuesday, December 26th, 2006
"I’m not sure how I was selected to be one of the people receiving this (I’m assuming there are others, but I haven’t come across any yet)"
"So, today the laptop arrived (here are some photos) and it wasn’t just some generic laptop, but a really cool, supercompact Acer Ferrari 1000 12.1” notebook, with an 1.80GHz AMD Turion 64×2 with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a SATA 160GB hard drive.
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Very interesting, apparently it's very difficult for MS find out true defenders.
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Andre Da Costa :

Marco, you are nothing but a lousy jealous bastard who does not have a life. Go to hell and stop linking to that crap. What is wrong with you???

It was a review unit delivered to a group of 90 bloggers on behalf of "AMD", "ACER INC" and MICROSOFT. Post it again and you will prove my point that you are a Dumb A$$

Quote "Yeah, it works on a 6 year-old P.C., but it has nowhere near the GUI of Windows Vista, let alone Windows 7. It is comparable to Windows 95 perhaps."
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So answer the question. Are you saying you get the results as per this clip on a 6yr old PC?
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjSNMRFTjM&feature=related
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Quote "Although you can get "comparable" apps for Linux, they are ridiculously homemade looking and far fewer features than Windows software."
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Thanks for the oportunity: If users want to see how "homemade" these Open Source packages are check out Openoffice and decide for yourself. BTW are you calling Firefox homemade? What about AbiWord? What about the popular language Python? Lets here these features you mention.
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Quote "Linux looks, feels and works amateurishly in comparison to Windows. That's just the facts."
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Ill let users have a try of Linux themselves or click on the youtube click to decide whats amateur.
BTW I thought you said you liked Ubuntu? You dont seem to be very pro now.

Everyone can also check out Ridleys "Amateur" Open Source, by giving a free alternative to MS Office a try.
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http://www.openoffice.org/
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Ill let you decide for yourself. You have nothing to loose, and it could save you money on an expensive MS solution. You dont need Linux to run it, it comes in Windows flavor too!

Ridley :"But I remember. I thought it was here on M.S."

Simply LIAR and without scruple

Forget the stupid OLD laptop. It is done and over with. Andre brings a lot more usable advice and information than the Linux shills! Windows is for the 90+ percent of us who use real P.C.'s in real life in the real world.

Quote "Forget the stupid OLD laptop. It is done and over with. Andre brings a lot more usable advice and information than the Linux shills! Windows is for the 90+ percent of us who use real P.C.'s in real life in the real world."
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Now we are getting to the real Ridley. Let me remind you what happens next. This is the part where you start with the personal insults to Linux users. Since you cant challenge any of the points in the Linux/Windows debate I believe you can now start with the insults.
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Or (as we've seen before) you can create loads of different handles and distort the message that way.
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I look forward to seeing your next great comeback in what I had hoped originally would be a sensible debate.

Take it easy my friend, take it easy. You are NOW naked and the people NOW know you (their are looking on you), That is good enough for today, have good day.

Quote "Take it easy my friend, take it easy. You are NOW naked and the people NOW know you (their are looking on you), That is good enough for today, have good day."
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I presume you are talking about Ridley!

Obviously , my dear Watson!!

To goblin :Obviously , my dear Watson!! this was a bad joke ,I hope not bother you!

Sometimes I am in good mood then I tend to exceed therefore I ask all you to excuse me.

@Ridley

Quote: "Yeah, it works on a 6 year-old P.C., but it has nowhere near the GUI of Windows Vista, let alone Windows 7. It is comparable to Windows 95 perhaps."

I've run Linux before on a 6-year old laptop, using Compiz and a faux Mac theme, and I had someone come up to me and ask me how I got OSX Leopard running on a PC.

If you are having trouble getting a Linux desktop to look awesome, I suggest either switching to a distro with a better default theme or getting some inspiration from gnome-look, kde-look, and Youtube videos of Linux desktops.

"Quote "Linux looks, feels and works amateurishly in comparison to Windows. That's just the facts."

You are of course entitled to your own opinion on the matter, and I won't attempt to use my own opinion to refute yours. Instead, I'll simply ask you to look at scientific research facilities, movie studios (Pixar,Dreamworks, etc.), Wall Street, cell phone companies, Google, IBM, and the server industry in general. If these groups shared your opinion, I doubt very much that they would have chosen to build their business on Linux rather than Windows.

Ridley wrote

"Quote "Linux looks, feels and works amateurishly in comparison to Windows. That's just the facts."
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When XP was released, among the comments were at the time that it looks amateurish and looks like Fisher Price (the famous toy company).

"cunning -without scruple- adviser like you, with a philosophy like that; There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. (Stalin) and we all know who is your scoundrel."

A dog learns from his owner.

Sometimes it's the owner that belongs in the pound.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212903499&subSection=Operating+Systems

@Marco, and Goblin,

Marco, I clearly remember you came across that first free laptop link for Andre, that was what inspired me to look later for more incriminating material on said softie shill. You also pointed out that Doctor Doug (Douglas S Taylor) aka Crimson Reaver) was a shill, which at first I was not prone to believe. Do not trust his turn around again this time on the issues.

Now I am wondering if Doctor Doug is not trolling this site under other handles, after doing some research, that turned up surprising results. Perhaps even the impersonations.

Microsoft dismisses Windows 7 UAC security flaw, continues to insist it is “by design”

www.istartedsomething.com/20090131/microsoft-dismisses-windows-7-uac-security-flaw-insists-by-design/

"I’m not too sure if Microsoft is on the same page as I am, but a Microsoft spokesperson has emailed me in response to the Windows 7 UAC security flaw I wrote about and demonstrated yesterday. In summary, Microsoft claims this is “not a vulnerability”, is intended behavior and again indicates will not be changed. No, your eyes are not playing tricks on you. They’re (again) indicating it will not be fixed in the final version of Windows 7."
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And another similar article:

Microsoft Insists Windows 7 UAC Flaw Is Not a Vulnerability

www.osnews.com/comments/20885
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If this is not bad enough, check out the eweek link:

How Do They Make All That Malware?

www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/How-Do-They-Make-All-That-Malware/?kc=rss

"AV vendors are getting over 50,000 submissions of new malware per day now. How can the malware business be so productive?
The name of the game in defeating anti-virus software is volume. You generate huge numbers of slight variants of a malicious program, do things like use different packers on the executable, and some end up different enough that the anti-malware products can't detect them."

Of course, we talking "Windows" malware here.
www.distrowatch.com download a free linux iso today, in get the MONKEYboy off your back and out of your wallet!

"It's not a bug, it's a feature." Right?

Hey, they have to do something to keep Symantec, McAfee, et. al. in business, I guess.

Sorry, but when I moved to Linux I stopped stimulating the anti-virus/anti-spyware sector of the economy.

@Marco
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LOL. Marco you dont have to worry, I knew what you meant!! For the record though, I believe its:
"Elementary my dear Watston"
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On the subject of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Doyle said something that is particularly relevant to the Ridley/Andre/Microsoft allegations:
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“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
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He also says:
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“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”
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Which is quite true in this case, since its believed Ridley & Andre may be the same person and it was Ridley who made the confession on the gift from Microsoft to Andre.

Joe, if one were to read all the comments after your articles, one would come to the conclusion that your posters are overwhelmingly Linux aficionados. Or at least that they are extremely vocal and VERY protective of their beloved O.S.

portuno_diamo : Really pertinent link.
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Goblin :"Elementary my dear Watston" I know that but I think that 'obviously' sound better (to little Literary license.)
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chips b malroy : 'Do not trust his turn around again this time on the issues.'
We could not trust.. but it could be... perhaps him is changing, in any case "by their fruits you will recognize them"

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@Marco:
from one of your eariler posts;
www.microsoft-watch.com/content/channel/vista_pcs_these_prices_are_insane.html

"Marco :

CrimsonReaver (AKA Taylor, AKA Dr Doug). I'd like to say that apparently you feel that your day-to-day ocupation does not fit with your 'lofty' ideas of grandeur (which is noticeable given your rather pedantic language).

That's honest work, of enormous worth to a world where, since MS is the norm, we have a lot of PC trouble. Therefore, you are indispensable to maintain society's continuum.

Why am I telling you this? It's rather obvious that, consciously or unconsciously, you'd like us to know that Dr Doug is CrimsonReaver-an amateur writer of a couple short stories. And some game reviews.
www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=CrimsonReaver+&btnG=Google+Search

Assume who your are. And do it with dignity. That's the greatest legacy you can give your children. Remember, a man is not measured by his job, but rather is the man that shapes it. And hoping to receive some extra present from Ms, you feign to be someone who you're not-really, it's not dignified."
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Now I have no idea if Ridley is Dr. Doug or Andre, but Draoi Duhb and the troll before him that used the "brilliant" word so often, them I am fairly certain was Dr. Doug.

A little research goes a long way:
http://douginator007.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_pagedir=Next&_c11_BlogPart_handle=cns!346D946FDF808DED!550&_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart

See Dougs article:
Microsoft Server 2008 Enterprise Super

It tells you where Dr Doug is really at.
douginator007.spaces.live.com/
this is the first page, the above link is the second page which can be accessed by clicking on the more link at the bottom of the page.

In this link, you will notice the "humor" of Dr. Doug, which is surprisingly like that of Draoi Duhb, with Draoi's email from Ballmer joke. Also the the Celtic (Scotish) inferences in the Draoi name and in Dr. Doug's series of Books are other clues.

Doug BTW,its good you gave up the virus cleaning (PC Doctor) and sold the van. I notice that website is gone now.

Joe says:
"Microsoft plans to go directly from Beta 1 to release candidate."

So how many release candidates, or beta releases, do you need for a "service pack?"

goblin, ralph, marco, will, etc.;
don't fall for the drivel from ridley. methinks his goal is to bring about notoriety to himself. he seeks attention through controversy and strife. my advise would be to not play into his scheme. you are giving him what he wants. suffice it to say, i believe if you ignore his posts, he will most likely go away, since he will have no one with whom to play his pathetic game.

@Liam,
I am sure (or at least hope) you are a decent person. Youve said nothing to make us think otherwise.
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Unfortunately the dubious actions of others makes people question any well meaning post, and if you were in fact Ridley or indeed Andre, it could be argued that you are trying to distance yourself from this whole incident and want it forgotten.
The best way to do that would be to try to get people to ignore Ridley and Andre, that way the matter would be lost within the plethora of posts here.
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Im sure thats not the case, but as far as I was concerned, the matter was over. As I said Andre has made the admittion, its the likes of Ridley that keep coming back for more for some unknown reason.

So Liam thinks this is a game to me. Sorry that I may have an opinion that is not the same as you have my friend. I find it quite amusing that, here on MICROSOFT WATCH, you would like to see that those who actually objectively post about M.S. to go away.

goblin. thank you. and yes, i hope to be considered a decent man. i would commonly not comment online, as writing is not my talent. however, i was intrigued by the sheer number of posts listed for this article and was curious to what the fuss was all about. i became aware of what was taking place, as i am sure you also have become keen to observe. good luck and good day goblin!

To chips b malroy : Well if I had some doubts about Douglas S. Taylor, you have clarified my mind, except he was fired and he is looking revenge against MS, everything indicates his intention of malice.
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This confirm:
'Very interesting, apparently it's very difficult for MS find out true defenders.'

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liam : your advice is a good advise. thanks! and welcome!

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@Andre Da Costa the M$ Shill says:
"Marco and Chips are just choked up about me receiving a reviewers unit back in 2007"
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And so we finially have an admission of guilt here folks, a "review unit". (free laptop from M$) Keep going young Andre and come clean.
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@Douglas S. Taylor: (the other big proponent of M$)

I noticed that you closed your Malware, opps, I mean your computer repair shop on wheels. About 90% of Windows computer problems turn out to be "software" problems instead of hardware problems, has been my experience. Of those I would say the most common problem by far is malware invested Windows PC's.

What I thought was odd about you, is the fact that here you were, with all this "experience" fixing computers, you even had a website (no more) stating that you fixed them, but oddly enough, you would never talk about cleaning out the malware, the number one problem of windows computers. Had to ask myself, "why would Doug not want to talk about the Malware?" If Doug had some connection with Microsoft, then assuredly he would not want to talk about the Windows Malware problem.

So now your PC business is gone, sold or dismantled, or even likely broke. The Van is denoted to charity? Or repo'ed, or broken, etc. Without the Van, where will Draoi Duhb put his $8000 computer? Duhb is BTW, a celtic (ancient Scottish) word for a songbird. Odd again. Just coincidence that and you claim to have knowledge of the celtic language. Also part of the titles of your book is Caldon, is that short for Caldonia, the ancient Roman name for Scotland? Coincidence again? Speaking of the books, they are only available from what I see in hardcover, which usually means they are not great sellers. I would have said Doug, don't give up your day job, but I see its too late.

But I did notice Doug, on your Douginator site, on the main page, on the left hand side, that "Paul," a M$ retail evangelist, is a contact of yours. Odd again. The Douginator site is your site, isn't it Doug? If I got something wrong, please let me know, and I will try to correct it.

So Doctor Doug, if I am being unfair to you here, please let me know exactly what I have said is wrong.

@Marco, who says :

"To chips b malroy : Well if I had some doubts about Douglas S. Taylor, you have clarified my mind, except he was fired and he is looking revenge against MS, everything indicates his intention of malice."
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I don't see where he states that he was fired from M$, unless its in his joke section, which is what most of the Douginator is about. As I know your first language is not English, and Doug/Draoi sense of humor leaves a little to be wished for, its easy to get the wrong idea.

He!!
Sorry;except for the possibility that him could be fired and now is looking revenge against MS, everything indicates his intention of malice."
I mean,is very likely that him this wanting to deceive us.

@Marco:
This link to Paul the MS evangelist is gone now from his site. So I must have touched a nerve.

Although I think it is a clear step above Vista, I've got a list of issues with Windows 7 after serious testing.

I like Windows 7 but I have some concerns that I'd like addressed before final release

First thing - EVERYONE I spoke to even at the MS booth at CES said they want the UP FOLDER back in explorer - yes there are other ways to go back one folder but the up folder was convenient.

Classic start menu - not an option - classic start menu makes it easier to support clients if they have key components such as network properties and my computer on the desktop. I'm not saying it should be the default but why not make it an option as it was in Windows XP and Vista? I realize you can put some icons on the desktop (not IE) using personalize.

Media Center won't let you click on album art cover once a song is already playing to play the new song from the album art cover. Seems only logical.

Media Center - often has static in playback - using Audigy 2z sound card.

Search works well but it would be great if the search in the start menu had a drop down just like run has in the start menu so you can repeat a search from your search history.

Aero interface stops working without message so flip 3d stops with alt-tab - using the troubleshooting fix sometimes solves it by enabling desktop manager - sometimes it can't - how do you manually enable Windows desktop manager - personalize desktop works but nothing to control the aero interface

Since most current receivers and other media streaming capable devices will support .flac file playback, it seems a shame not to use the native media player in windows as a media streaming server - instead because windows does not natively support flac playback, we have to look at alternative hardware streaming solutions or mediaplayers similar to windows media player but with flac support such as tversity or Twonky or Nero

Winver does not tell you if you are running 64 or 32 bit - computer properties would be improved if 64 or 32 bit was listed in the top section. It never states if you are installing the 32 or 64 bit version during installation.

It would be nice if it was easy to see what version and build of windows you were running by going to computer properties or by running winver - currently it tells you Windows Version 6.1 - Build 70000 - it doesn't say 7000 x64 081212-1400

During Install if you attempt to install with a brand new drive it won't install until you format the drive and reboot.

There is no desktop icon for IE - this was very handy for clear items and change settings etc before going into IE.

Do something with the 200 MB partion in disk manager so it is clear that it is a restore point or whatever - change the color of it, just make it more clearly defined.

http://test.winehq.org/data/8e39646ac4d256b813ff69a23ba0c62ab4f08d33/

Please read link this is the wine test suit run against different versions of Windows and Wine. Notice Vista spike out on compatibility.

So far no reviewer has run the Wine test suit against Windows 7 to see if compatibility is better or worse.

At the rate wine is going for compatibility it will pass XP completely this year. Every action done by the wine test suit exists in a real application somewhere for windows when its run on Windows systems so yes Its a great compatibility test. Its also not benchmarking so Why in Heck as no one done it.

Quote "The secret to a more secure and cost effective government is through open source technologies and products."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7841486.stm

boe:

Excellent review. You hit it on the head. Windows 7 is awesome and with a few little tweaks, could easily be the best Windows ever. It may still be.

One bone of contention that I have with the 100%pro-MS bloggers here is that there reviews of 7 were just as positive as Vista (Joe excluded). Where is the balance from these bloggers? Where is the real-world experience?

I have had it with MS@#$%% I have now switched full time to linux...Starting with Ubuntu... I've paid my last paycheck on MS crap...

I think we need to reach a conclusion here. We need to look at the facts. Everybody loves Windows. Look at Windows 7, a version of Windows still development, 'already grabbing market share', leaving Linux with 0. something percent of marketshare. This clearly proves that the vast majority of people appreciate the value, the innovation, the high level of ease of use and compatibility Windows Vista, the Windows platform, architecture and tools provides. I am sorry if persons who are close minded to the truth cannot accept this. But let us face it, Linux is a hobby, will always remain a hobby and was designed as a hobby. Linus Torvald said it, he needed something to play with, not use for mission critical scenarios. Windows was designed for progressive computing for developing modern applications and services yet carrying forward all the investments businesses and consumers have made in past generations of Microsoft products and services along with those of fellow industry partners. I hope readers of MS Watch will realize that negativity, bigotry and lack of knowledge and a hobbyist OS cannot be a solution. I do not want to hurt anyones feelings, I just want to bring clarity, proper guidance and truth. Joe knows it too, he loves Windows, he has basically made Windows 7 his daily OS, so have hundreds of thousands of enthusiast and cutting edge adopters.

"I think we need to reach a conclusion here. We need to look at the facts. Everybody loves Windows.",
Microsoft Watch, Andre Da Costa (or someone posing as him)

"Animals talk to each other , of course. There can be no question about that; but I suppose there are very few people who can understand them. I never knew but one man who could, however, because he told me so himself", What Stumped the Blue Jays, Mark Twain

"The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.", Mark Twain

"My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts!", Unknown

Quote "I think we need to reach a conclusion here. We need to look at the facts. Everybody loves Windows. "
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Especially the ones who recieve gifts from Microsoft.
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/andre-da-costa-schwag/
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quote Andre "I hope readers of MS Watch will realize that negativity, bigotry and lack of knowledge and a hobbyist OS cannot be a solution."
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Bigotry? I thought that was the pro-ms commenters here? Afterall they are the only ones who post offensive material.
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Andre we know where your loyalities are. Didnt you notice even pro-MS posters mocked you before? that was before we knew about your gift.
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How about donating that free laptop to charity for the upcoming Comic Relief? That would prove you truely are impartial.

quote:

"This clearly proves that the vast majority of people appreciate the value, the innovation, the high level of ease of use and compatibility Windows Vista"

If that were truly the case, why is MS so desparate to rush 7 out to the marketplace? The answer is that Vista was a dog when it was rolled out and its reputation as a decent OS suffered permanent damage.

IMO, M.S. is rushing Windows 7 out because the Vista technology was so outstanding and they could spend the majority of their time fine tuning, tweaking and completing the compelling features in Windows 7. I think it just proves the quality and soundness of Windows Vista. So, actually it is not rushing, it's actually that things are going so well with Windows 7 development.

Quote "IMO, M.S. is rushing Windows 7 out because the Vista technology was so outstanding and they could spend the majority of their time fine tuning, tweaking and completing the compelling features in Windows 7. I think it just proves the quality and soundness of Windows Vista. So, actually it is not rushing, it's actually that things are going so well with Windows 7 development."
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I hope everyone considering buying Windows 7 reads that comment. Im sure "happy" Vista customers will be looking forward to Windows 7 on the basis of that.
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Alternatively if you would like to check out a "second class" OS that Ridley is quite happy for his friends and family to use, check out:
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www.distrowatch.com
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Ridley likes Ubuntu and Fedora, so maybe start there.

Goblin, you are so pathetic, but what do you expect from someone who does not have a life. Who actually sits in front of a PC, wakes up at strange hours of the night to stalk another human being through a search engine? Who actually creates a blog about another human being, who makes it their lifes work to stalk this human being. Thats Goblin people. Now tell me, would you trust someone like that to run your IT infrastructure? Would you use a Linux distro from someone who stalks other people on the Internet everyday and night and makes conspiracies about them? Those are the type of people who make Linux - people who need their Meds.

Its quite obvious that the vast majority of Windows users realize this is the activity of the Linux community so they do the right thing by using a safe, mature operating system called Windows to do the things they want to do in life. Get work done, go home to their families, go out, enjoy the sun, record videos, take pictures, socialize with friends and family. Then manage these memories using Windows Vista and Windows Live creating rich, delightful and entertaining experiences on the PC. Thats a normal Windows user in contrast to a Linux user such as Goblin.

Goblin and Chips have never discussed any of the capabilities of Linux. I have discussed the power of Windows, its features and what people are doing with it to make their digital lives more efficient and social. Not anti-social like Linux and Open Source.

I have a few quotes to add to Philosopher's

1)

“Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2.” Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors’ technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time.”
- Microsoft internal document

2)

"Trillions of flies eat dung, but that doesn't make it Haute cuisine."
- anonymous

And for a bonus quote:

"“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux…”
- Steve Ballmer (Sept 2008)

Quote "Goblin and Chips have never discussed any of the capabilities of Linux."
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Liar, we've tried. But as soon as Open Source is mentioned you post another PR attempt. We tried to discuss performance issues of Wine over XP. It was ignored. We challenge your figures, you ignore us.

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Andre Da Costa - The impartial "user" who loves Microsoft products and has recieved a $6000 laptop from them.
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Quote "Would you use a Linux distro from someone who stalks other people on the Internet everyday and night and makes conspiracies about them?"
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Andre, slow down bucko. The only conspiracy was that you had recieved a free laptop. Whilst you didnt admit it (Ridley did) we were proved to be right werent we? Also why did you start messaging me today in Twitter? I hadnt contacted you. So why did you do it if I am stalking you?
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Dont you think it relevant for a supporter of MS products to disclose the fact that they've been sent freebies?
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As you for IT comment. I am a coder, not a manager. Since I consider my integrity worth more than $6000 dollars (and in anycase, I could buy one tomorrow if I wished) I will continue to challenge you.
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Have you ever considered Andre, that should you apply for a job and an employer does a "google" on you, he will see your behaviour here?
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Would you also now like to explain the begging letter its alleged your wrote to Apple?
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Quote Andre "I have discussed the power of Windows"
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LOL no you havent, you say things like "Vista is loved".
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Keep it up Andre, it all helps highlight other odious individuals.
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Anyway moving on from Andre's nonsense. As has been said before, Win 7 is presumably going to have the DRM treatment before its poured onto the market. This may be of interest to all people who supported apples DRM free catalogue:
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http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/02/microsoft-drm-made-here-tech/
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Talking of Microsoft conspiracies Andre, do you even know what Comes V Microsoft is about? Have you actually read any of the exhibits from the case?
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On a final note Andre, unless you make it clear on your posts that you have received gifts from Microsoft, I will do it for you. If youve got nothing to be ashamed of, then you can do it yourself. Or if you prefer Ridley can tell people for you.

Further evidence of Andres case not being unique:
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http://valleywag.gawker.com/271485/tech/federated-media/microsoft-pays-star-writers-to-recite-slogan
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Still say its a conspiracy theory?
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See next post for link to court exhibit, where I think it clearly shows Microsofts policy on such matters.

Heres a court exhibit. Read and make your own decision.
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As Andre says its all just a made up conspiracy. But then we can imagine why he would say that cant we?
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http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf

Andre Da Costa :wrote

"I think we need to reach a conclusion here. We need to look at the facts. Everybody loves Windows. Look at Windows 7, a version of Windows still development, 'already grabbing market share', leaving Linux with 0. something percent of marketshare"

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How the hell can Windows 7 be "grabbing market share"? The flipping thing is in Beta, and when I last looked...it wasn't for sale.

And if "Everybody loves Windows" , then why did Windows lose some market share to Apple and to a lessor extent Linux?

If "everybody loves Windows" please explain why schools, the military, department of defense, companies, cities and even whole countries have open source initiatives and even open source mandates...all on Vista's watch...you know your "beloved OS".

How come Firefox now commands 44% of the market share? Uou may say "Everyone loves Windows" but it sure doesn't look like "Everyone loves Internet Explorer".... a Windows product.

@Ralph,
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As I said before, I think Andre has now reached rock bottom. I dont think he has a PR sheet for what youve asked.
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Just remember. "Vista is loved"

Vist is loved and its on over 200 million systems.

LOL

My experience with Vista has been phenomenal. Unlike some pre-SP1 users, I never had much issue with the O.S. even right out of the gate. About the only issue I noticed was slower file transfer. That was fixed with SP-1. And since SP-1, everyone appears to love Vista. As Andre has so eloquently put it; "so they do the right thing by using a safe, mature operating system called Windows to do the things they want to do in life. Get work done, go home to their families, go out, enjoy the sun, record videos, take pictures, socialize with friends and family. Then manage these memories using Windows Vista and Windows Live creating rich, delightful and entertaining experiences on the PC. Thats a normal Windows user in contrast to a Linux user..." Yes, we Windows users have the best O.S. for work and recreation. In my position I have had the privilege of doing contract work for several companies over the past few years. Every single one of them uses Windows for the desktop, and even over half of them use Windows Servers! That used to be where Linux/Unix had a stronghold, but no more!

Windows users know how easy it is to take video, pictures and other multimedia and create beautiful memories and upload them. It is so easy using Windows along with inexpensive Windows software such as Roxio and Nero. And with Windows DVD maker, I have made extremely professional looking DVD's! It is not as much fun and much more difficult doing this with Linux.

@ Ridley:

K3b and Devede say "Hi."

@Ridley
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Thanks Ridley, your post perfectly highlights the difference between honest held belief and PR/advert.
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@Everyone:
Youve read the pro-Vista/Windows comments that HAVENT been challenged by anyone, things like "Vista has given me no problems", "Im comfortable with Vista/Windows" these are personal held views.
Then we move on to a post like Ridleys. Lets have a look at some of the comments:
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Quote "so they do the right thing by using a safe, mature operating system called Windows to do the things they want to do in life"
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Quote "take pictures, socialize with friends and family. Then manage these memories using Windows Vista and Windows Live creating rich, delightful and entertaining experiences on the PC."
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Quote "pictures and other multimedia and create beautiful memories and upload them."
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Now I make the assumption that the users here are all adults (Ridley included) and this is not someones idea of a joke post. Have a look at those comments, do they read like a personal belief or a PR sheet?
Ask yourself, if you went around to a friends house and asked them for a recommendation of software they would say
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"Windows users know how easy it is to take video, pictures and other multimedia and create beautiful memories and upload them."
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Is this how anyone you know talks?
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Going back to Ridley. I would ask of him this: If you are agreeing with Andre when he says "so they do the right thing by using a safe, mature operating system called Windows to do the things they want to do in life."
Why would Microsoft pay for positive PR on the Net? Do we have to link to exhibits in civil cases again? If as you say, everything in the Windows world is wonderful, Linux is dead and everyones creating "beautiful memories" what would be the point in the aggressive and underhanded marketing tactics that have been alleged against Microsoft?
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Going back to the car analogy, IMO the Audi is better than the Yugo, does anyone really need telling that or is it obvious? Ridley if what you said was correct, there would be no need to promote Windows at all.

And the same holds true for Linux. If it were that great, it wouldn't need the promoters out there on M.S. topic sites. They would just watch the market share skyrocket. But Linux has failed miserably in that. Even with the promoters on this and other M.S. topic sites, Linux market share has actually decreased in the last six months and is still substantially below the 1% mark. I think Linux has it's niche, and it does serve it well. But for the full feature-rich experience and program compatability with the best software, Windows contiues to be the way to go.

Ridley says :
And the same holds true for Linux. If it were that great, it wouldn't need the promoters out there on M.S. topic sites
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And here Ridley completely misses the whole point of "promoting Linux."

It could be that Ridley, or could it be that some of us are consumer advocates that promote Linux, or Mac, instead of Windows, because of 1. the horrible security and malware problems of Windows. As someone who has cleaned up many many windows infected computers, I can tell you that Windows by default, is not safe compared to other systems. Windows users are in pain caused by malware. Why not help them out and suggest the better way?

There are of course, many other reason to use Linux.

www.distrowatch.com download a free linux iso today, and leave behind the major malware problems of windows

I also think that if Microsoft were to do things to greatly fix the default security in windows, that Linux users would be happy to see that. I know I would be.

By that I mean setting up limited users accounts and hiding the administrator account by default in windows. Removing Internet Exploder from Windows, which would also get rid of ActiveX. Removing other viral magnet from Windows, such as Outlook, Media player, and MS Messinger. These would be improvement to windows security.

The price of Windows needs to come down a whole lot as well, when it cannot compare with a free system.

Quote Ridley "And the same holds true for Linux. If it were that great, it wouldn't need the promoters out there on M.S. topic sites."
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And I would completely agree with you.....if the underhanded tactics that had been alleged against Microsoft marketing strategy had not existed.
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Can you imagine what this place would be like if everyone who used Linux kept quiet? We'd have "feature rich experiences", "happy memories" "goodtimes" "happy days" all over the place and not a single mention that there was anything else in life other than Windows. Are you telling me, if the Linux users didnt post here, Andre would pop up and say "BTW people, shouldnt we be looking at Linux?" - I dont think so.
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Linux itself doesnt have an advertising budget like Windows. As much as I champion Linux, Im not going to send out $6000 laptops to people just to "review" it and Im certainly not going to create numerous handled and insult people with pettyness (that ends up getting deleted by Joe) just to push it.
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So it comes down to opinion. Just like the Office user who has a debate with a Works user about which is best for the average person. This is all opinion. I have championed my system of choice. You do yours. People judge by their own experiences.

Quote "program compatability with the best software, Windows contiues to be the way to go."
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I challenge that and ask users to look at compatability with Linux. Currently looking at what can be used through Wine/Linux, Id say its nearly on a par with Vista and Wine is updated very very regularly.
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Best software? What you mean like MS office V Open Office? Remind me there what features MSoffice has that makes it worth the price over the free open office (again readers try for yourself at:) http://www.openoffice.org/
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I wont seek to persuade anyone of anything, simply ask you try for yourself and find out if OpenOffice gives you the functionality you need.
Open Office is available in Mac, Windows & Linux flavors.

The "best" platform, based on my own personal experience and close observations of others:

Best professional media (photo and video): Apple Mac with Adobe Photoshop and Final Cut Pro.

Second place professional media: Windows with Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premier (buggy but if you have the patience of Job and the financial backing of a oil baron to stay on the upgrade treadmill, it can get the job done).

Not acceptable for professional media: Linux (unless you're one of those billionaire shops that writes their own, and then Linux is the best development and run-time platform for your efforts.)

Best serious home video: Mac + Final Cut Express. Smooth, rock-solid, and low cost. Especially compared to the upgrade treadmill / money pit that is Adobe Premier, even in CS4.

Best compatibility for Blackberry desktop manager and Garmin MapSource: Windows XP. (Linux with Wine doesn't seem to be able to run the BB desktop manager, and I haven't seen enough of Barry to want to trust it.)

Best word processing: Linux with OOo. Yes, MS Office 200X has more features, but OOo is rock-solid, robust, has great style support, and handles long documents with ease--everything that MS Word 2.0 promised but failed to deliver, and failed for many, many subsequent versions.

Best static graphics for those of us who are not graphics professionals but still want solid and capable tools: Linux with The Gimp and Inkscape. The Gimp is surprisingly capable and solid. Yes, it's different from Photoshop. But I don't know Photoshop and so it doesn't matter to me that it's different.

And seriously, most people are blind and have no taste when it comes to photo and video production anyway. My wife loves Final Cut Express and how it works so well with her HD Sony video camera. But I don't have the talent or inclination to use those tools myself.

I find that Linux, AIX, SunOS, and Mac are smoother and more solid than Windows ever was. And Linux is cheaper to obtain, a breeze to install and maintain, but a little light in some key areas. But for a desktop at work, especially when developing Linux and *IX software, Linux is a 100% acceptable, and even highly pleasant, desktop operating system. If I worked in a graphics shop or a video shop that used off the shelf tools, I'd probably have to go to Mac or Windows.

Unless they are really buffing things up RC is a bit much. would like to see another beta release or at least an upgrade to the current beta

we still have issues with extremely slow download and install times, software incompatablity ( especially games) driver issues with GPUs and sound cards. some of this software and hardware was released after vista released. strange.

It's too bad that M.S. cannot use Windows Update to upgrade betas and R.C.'s. Just one install, Beta 1, then through Windows Update, upgrade to Beta 2, then the R.C.'s. There must be a reason they don't do that, and I am sure it has to do with extra resources (man hours) to make something like that happen. But it would make a Beta tester's experience much smoother and less hassle.