AOL Layoffs End an Era
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Yesterday's AOL layoffs mark the end of an era of the dial-up dinosaurs that ushered in the Internet age. The era of 9600 baud and 56Kbps modems was the dirt road to the Information Superhighway, which now measures speeds in megabits per second. |
I had just arrived at Dulles International Airport when learning of the AOL layoffs. AOL is a major employer along the Dulles corridor of Northern Virginia. My family was readying to board a plane that would take use from AOL's back yard to San Diego and a new home in California.
AOL started before the World Wide Web, at a time when closed dial-up services like CompuServe and Prodigy displaced online bulletin boards. These dial-up services were the social networks of their day, providing online access, community and commerce. Later, when the early Internet turned more Wild Wild Web, AOL provided a means of access and safety behind its walled garden.
Microsoft bet wrong on the Web, building into Windows 95 the closed MSN network to compete with AOL. Microsoft's bundling of MSN into Windows 95 caused cries of competitive foul play, which later somewhat subdued. A 1995 AOL-Microsoft deal put an icon for the AOL service on the Windows 95 desktop.
AOL is indirectly responsible for my going into technology journalism. In the summer of 1993, I read a story in what was then called Washington Journalism Review about the coming era of online publishing. San Jose Mercury News was among the media outlets already publishing on AOLand later the Web. The article convinced me that a new era of online publishing would come in the near future.
By January 1994, I had a white box home PC and online accounts with CompuServe and AOL. In late 1994, I already was writing about technology for a Washington-based trade association (previously, I had worked as editor for a general interest magazine). By the time Microsoft released Windows 95, I had dropped both services in favor of a local Internet access provider and Web browser.
How many other people ventured online for the first time by way of AOL? Tens of millions, no doubt. But dial-up is a rapidly declining business, and the layoffs hit that part of AOL's business. Closed networks' modems aren't the way of the past, however. They're in vogue again, which is reason to consider how AOL might yet sustain the walls around the garden.
For what are Facebook, MySpace or YouTube? They are the evolution of AOL, CompuServe, newsgroups and online bulletin boards. They are the new walled garden communities of the Internet. Social networking is the new craze, but really only in name. People socialized online long before the first Mosaic browser accessed a Web server. The character of these social networks really hasn't changed all that much from their forebearers.
How people access these services is different. End users are no longer locked into a single service providerone onramp onto the Information Superhighway. For AOL, that onramp paid big margins, whereas broadband marginalized the dial-up business model.
I don't mean to suggest a dim future for AOL. AOL properties command tremendous time spent by users online, which is far more important than page views. The closed network still has tremendous pull, but newer social networks command huge user basesmuch greater than dial-up AOL during its dominance.
Microsoft also has watched its dial-up business decline, but the company bet big on broadband long before AOL. Microsoft's Online Services group, then still called MSN, reported two years of profitsthrough end of 2005even as dial-up conversion to broadband sapped AOL margins. Online Services profits later collapsed, but not from heavy dial-up conversion.
Microsoft opted for a loose collection of services rather than the walled garden that was MSN circa 2003. There is integration across services, but no central place where people go to gather, like they would at Facebook or MySpace. Microsoft's challenge is eyeballs, drawing more people to its services and keeping them for a long time. The more time people spend on Live/MSN properties, the better the long-term advertising prospects.
Time online is a crucial Google focus, too. Search engines are way stations to other destinations. Online mail, productivity suite and other applications or services give people reasons to stop at Google properties rather than gas and go.
Circling back to the AOL layoffs. Isn't Microsoft's Online Services group hiring?
[Editor's Note: Posting will be unusually light this week, because of my relocation to the West Coast. Cell phone will be best way to reach me this week.]


Comments (48)
Joe, are you still interested to report the news from Microsoft ?
It seems that you divert further and further from Microsoft, starting from handphone ,now to AOL.
It was Microsoft-Watch.
Then became Microsoft-Bash
Now Anything Else BUT-Microsoft
What's wrong with youn?
Posted by Paul | October 16, 2007 10:31 AM
Just putting few words of "Microsoft" or "Windows 95" does not make his entry as Microsoft Watch
Microsoft not-Watch
Posted by Maggie | October 16, 2007 10:35 AM
Back further Joe - how about 300 baud on Compuserve in the mid-'80s? Those were halcyon days!
To the curmudgeons here who think you need to put MSFT in every sentence - get a life.
Posted by Blarney | October 16, 2007 11:14 AM
If you read between the lines, he is speaking of Microsoft very stealth without mentioning " ". AOL and Microsoft started together, they die together (hint:end of an era). The only difference between the two is, AOL see the writing on the wall, they have cease to fight the inevitable.
Next report will be Microsoft laying off it's Vista extra department... hence, corporations cut dead weight.
** This is my opinion only and in no way is it meant to offend anyone. If for any reason you feel the need to contact me in any way regarding this post, especially for inappropriate wording or a perceived derogatory statement, please fell free to contact me. I am all over the Internet and you can find me there. **
Posted by n0neXn0ne | October 16, 2007 11:45 AM
Joe , you really are a joker, You try to relate every bad thing with Microsoft.
My 1958 Ford can not be started anymore as it is not compatible with Microsoft Vista.
My toaster burned bacause I forgot to apply Service Pack 3
Joe , again , see the analogy ?!@#
Posted by Luke | October 16, 2007 11:53 AM
Gee, the Micro$oft fanboys are seeing M$-hate everywhere now. Lighten up. You won't lose your brown noses just yet.
On the other hand, mayeb there are a lot of reasons to get pissed at Micro$oft. Everything from outright theft and copyright violations to FUD-mongering to rebooting PCs without consent.
Don't be surprised with what those dastardly actions reap.
Posted by Maddog | October 16, 2007 12:52 PM
I too started with AOL dialup. Like AOL, MSN (or live whatever they call it now) has its roots in its dial up service. Last survey that I seen, was less than 30% of internet users in the USA, are still using dialup. Most of those in the country, where dialup maybe their only option.
So the fortunes of MSN maybe the same to some extent as AOL. Only there is a far graver trust factor when dealing with anything Microsoft than even AOL. The dialup ISP service helps to explain why both AOL and MSN continue to lose market share. As much as Micro$oft likes to reinvent or rename its services, MSN's heart is still its dialup service.
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 2:41 PM
Joe,
I guess some people just can't face the truth about Microsoft.
...and a big secret tool ready to poke Microsoft to death.
VCSY has Microsoft in court in a discovery phase.
If VCSY's technology is being used by their partners in an evaluation period (while the products are in beta) how long does an evaluation have to be? 30days? 90days? Can an evaluation go on for years? Business agreements can cover anything... and evaluations aren't material events, are they? So VCSY and the companies can simply work away maturing their technology and their own developments with the technology and Microsoft would be none the wiser... unless, of course, they read the posts made by VCSy longs. LOL
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 2:57 PM
Now, why would Microsoft be concerned with the kind of work the HP vCSY Samba team did?
Well, for one, Microsoft done HP wrong back in the day... come to think of it, back in the day when all the stealth started with VCSY, in fact. Five years ago.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-904089.html
Why the animosity, Microsoft? And, what are you going to do about it now?
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 3:36 PM
And why is Samba so important to Softees?
Because Microsoft is being forced to give the Microsoft server protocols to Samba by the EU... heh heh.
http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-21470/microsoft-s-programs-mcpp-and-wspp-are-excluding-open-source
Pretty slick little business ambush, ain't it? Management walked right into that one. HA HA Hooooooo That's rich.
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 3:44 PM
NOW is it starting to make sense? ...
Sure it does:
http://us3.samba.org/samba/
"...is an Open Source/Free Software suite that has, since 1992, provided file and print services to all manner of SMB/CIFS clients, including the numerous versions of Microsoft Windows operating systems. Samba is freely available under the GNU General Public License.
The Samba project is a member of the Software Freedom Conservancy."
So, now, smart market, tell me what happens if Samba has next generation technology mounted on mainframes that modernizes the mainframe legacy systems and allows them to mount ANY operating systems on those mainframes and to interoperate ANY applications across those mainframes... and do it as SaaS on thin clients.
Where does Microsoft hide?
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 3:51 PM
"In January 2006, Oracle officials held a press conference to report that Wookey's teams were "halfway there" with Fusion Applications development."
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=VCSY&read=200103
The problem with the "halfway there" comment is the second half would typically be the easy part if the first half (what was supposed to be done in 2006) were done properly. HOWEVER, if the 2006 part were not done properly, the second half would be holy hell.
I suspect Oracle ended up in late 2006 finding out things a number of companies appeared to find out about XML middleware: that it didn't belong to them.
Look at Yahoo Panama having to change and rewrite in the middle of 2006. Vista & LongHorn and WinFS being canned. Oracle made a whole lot of noise at the beginning of the summer about how well they were doing in spite of rumors their SOA capabilities sucked. Anytime a company says things are going "great" while rumors say they suck, it's time to dig under the floorboards.
Notice how the typical strategy works:
"If I was Oracle and I thought things were in trouble regarding a 2008 release of Fusion, I wouldn't throw in the towel now and act as if it couldn't happen. I would be throwing resources and people at it," said Greenbaum. "It's a little premature to throw in the towel" on Fusion Applications.
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So, deny til you die. That's how the big boys do it in the industry, right? Stupid stupid stupid.
But, I get the impression Oracle isn't the only bunch that thought, like Apple did, that Microsoft could stop the problem before it got to them. Apple was confident in Microsoft's ability to stop the Burst patents. I do wonder what Ellison talked himself into believing.
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 5:18 PM
To I-Man :
Your link at;
http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-21470/microsoft-s-programs-mcpp-and-wspp-are-excluding-open-source
was very interesting, and thought provoking. This is where the real battle is taking place in the EU on interoperability.
Quote from I-man's link; "SerNet asks Microsoft to disclose protocol definitions
In a September 26 letter to Microsoft Germany, SerNet transforms the
September 17 European Court judgment into a specific request:
By this judgment Microsoft is forced to publish protocol definitions for
Windows servers under "reasonable" and "non-discriminatory" terms so that
fully interoperable software can be developed by other parties. The
deadline set by the Court is January 15th 2008. Microsoft accepted this
judgment.
Now SerNet asks Microsoft to disclose the protocol definitions for
use in developing the open source software Samba."
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One thing is for sure, even though MS talks about wanting interoperability with other operating systems and servers, the truth is (as that link shows) is they want Windows incompatable as to provide the maximum lock in possible.
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 7:19 PM
Like I said some time ago... last December was a special time.
(URL's with link)
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1303982&mid=1303982&tof=17&frt=2
December 21st, 2006
The ultimate revenge? Novell?s Allison to join Google
Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:40 am
The word is out: Lead Samba developer Jeremy Allison has quit Novell in protest over the Microsoft-Novell alliance, unveiled on November 1. What isn't widely known, at least so far, is that Allison is joining Microsoft rival Google.
MJF: What are you planning to do next? Will you throw your energies behind a Linux distro other than SuSE?
Allison: I'm off to Google. I start in the new year.
MJF: What's the future of Samba, given these latest developments?
Allison: Pushed forward, harder :-) . Google don't hire no slackers :-) :-)
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What's so special about Samba?
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The vCSY team at HP created a modernized version of the 3000 series mainframe and pushed that virtualization platform to the 6000 series.
What does that mean to Microsoft? Microsoft is being forced to give (GIVE) their server protocols to Samba to ensure Samba is interoperable with Windows.
Google is using Samba? Uh ohhhhh. What happens to Microsoft with the vCSY virtualized modernization for mainframes... AND free Samba for the home user?
Oh, you got Longhorn? HA HA HA SO what?
Aug. 21, 2007
Analysis -- Is this a joke? I only recently started paying attention to Windows Home Server, since I tend to focus more on desktop operating systems and enterprise server systems. So I didn't realize until now that WHS is really just a vanilla file server.
So, why will people pay for Longhorn when Google can squirt Samba into their home units and Samba is interoperable and virtualized?
NOW do you see why VCSY is so bold against Microsoft? Need more? Did you REALLY think the industry competitors to Microsoft were all that stupid and lazy during the last five years? THAT is why you should have paid attention to the word "stealth".
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 8:07 PM
Apple's new operating system to hit stores Oct 26
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2007-10-16T213907Z_01_N16423884_RTRIDST_0_TECH-APPLE-LEOPARD-COL.XML
Quote; "In its fiscal third quarter that ended June 30, Apple sold nearly 1.8 million Mac computers, up 33 percent from a year earlier, a growth rate about triple that of the broader PC market."
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Thats right folks, 3 times the growth rate of the PC market. That is very impressive for a niche company that mostly only sell in the USA. Vista only came out in the last year, and its negatives are causing a shift to Apple at least in some part in the US market, laptops an example. MS is losing market share, plainly put.
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 8:31 PM
Joe , if you are not interested in writing on Microsoft , please pass it to someone.
Get on with your life and find another topic you like
Seeing you struggle everyday to just to fill up this column with irrelevant topics made us sad
There are other jobs somewhere
Posted by Marty | October 16, 2007 9:24 PM
Dutch Consumer Association declares war on Vista
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/10/13/dutch_consumer_association_declares_war/
Quote: "The Dutch Consumers Association has called for a boycott of Windows Vista, after the software giant refused to offer free copies of Windows XP to users who are having problems with Vista."
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Users do need a consumers union he in the USA to protect them from the abuses of Micro$oft, which seems to own the current government.
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Microsoft drops South Korea anti-trust appeal
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/10/16/ms_appeals_south_korea/
Quote: "Microsoft is dropping its appeal against South Korea's anti-trust case after it lost a similar appeal against the European Competition Commission."
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 9:39 PM
Vista “Out of Memory” errors
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=829
Quotes: "You just can’t seem to throw enough memory at Vista.There have been a number of issues that Vista users have reported relating to copying and moving data, especially large numbers of files. Often there can be multiple errors at play making it difficult for Vista users to track down the problem, in fact very often there is little indication that file copy operations haven’t completed correctly. It’s only when the user checks the number of files in source and destination that they realize they have a problem."
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 10:21 PM
Format Standards Committee "Grinds To a Halt"
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/16/207205 Posted by kdawson on Tuesday October 16, @04:42PM
from the collateral-damage dept.
Software Microsoft
Andy Updegrove writes "Microsoft's OOXML did not get enough votes to be approved the first time around in ISO/IEC — notwithstanding the fact that many countries joined the Document Format and Languages committee in the months before voting closed, almost all of them voting to approve OOXML. Unfortunately, many of these countries also traded up to 'P' level membership at the last minute to gain more influence. Now the collateral damage is setting in. At least 50% of P members must vote (up, down, or abstain) on every standard at each ballot — and none of the new members are bothering to vote, despite repeated pleas from the committee chair. Not a single ballot has passed since the OOXML vote closed
Posted by chips | October 16, 2007 10:24 PM
Succinctly:
Samba is software that can be run on a platform other than Microsoft Windows, for example, UNIX, Linux, IBM System 390, OpenVMS, and other operating systems. Samba uses the TCP/IP protocol that is installed on the host server. When correctly configured, it allows that host to interact with a Microsoft Windows client or server as if it is a Windows file and print server.
The goal behind the project is one of removing barriers to interoperability.
TCP/IP is the protocol that transports the http (HyperText Transfer Protocol) across the "internet" by which HTML and XML can be transported between computing devices.
Thus, Samba can stand in as a neutral interoperable hub for files and peripherals obviating the need for a centralized operating system, thus freeing the architecture to provide an "operating system" composed of widely distributed resources mounted on many different platforms.
Now... just HOW does one interconnect all these different platforms and ensure a distributed transactional process across the TCP/IP network?
And just HOW does one take all those interconnected interoperable platforms and affiliate them for syndication.
As time goes by you'll need to dig a little deeper to begin recognizing the players unless they're specifically called out. Licensing in any form enables the equipment makers to take the technology and fashion it into their own development base so there won't be any "VCSY" tag on most of the systems.
Notice IBM's comment that Viper1 is "licensed" technology... meaning they got it from someone else other than IBM.
And, if you really think HP lawyers are stupid enough to allow a team called the vCSY team to work to virtualize mainframes (which is what TPF based on XML would do) to be scattered all over the internet... you need to work with some large corporations and their #### property lawyers.
I know nobody believes this can happen with VCSY without revenue showing. But business accomodations can be fashioned in any of an infinite variety of ways and for any length of time without violating laws or priorities or property rights.
If folks don't believe it, they can't explain how companies are able to evaluate various technologies to determine whether the technology is worth the investments... and do so in secret so competitors don't know where the companies are going.
At the same time, they also can't explain how VCSY has survived as long as it has without help either.
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 10:43 PM
Because Microsoft is being forced to give the Microsoft server protocols to Samba by the EU... heh heh.
http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-21470/microsoft-s-programs-mcpp-and-wspp-are-excluding-open-source
Pretty slick little business ambush, ain't it? Management walked right into that one. HA HA Hooooooo That's rich.
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And, by the way, notice the time frame when the Samba team walked out of Novell. Right around the time VCSY hit Microsoft with a cease and desist on the SiteFlash patent(744)
02.06.07
Samba Team Walked Out on Novell?
by Shane Coyle
We all know about Jeremy Allison going to Google after leaving Novell over the Microsoft-Novell deal, but it appears that the other 4 members of the Samba team that were employed by Novell are now employed by Red Hat. Somehow, that escaped me until now.
Posted by I-Man | October 16, 2007 11:24 PM
I remember getting my first PC and using dial-up with the new faster 33kbps modem. Although excruciatingly slow by today's standards, I look back at those days fondly, almost nostogically. I am certain it is due to the newness of the experience, but I recall it being fun. And Joe, don't let some of these posts affect your content. You do an excellent job balancing the subject of things Microsoft and how it relates with the rest of the tech industry. I love reading your articles and listening to your podcasts.
Posted by Michele Cramblet | October 16, 2007 11:33 PM
Michele: I have to comment on your comment about your early PC experience almost feeling nostolgic. I have the exact same feeling. In fact, I run Windows 95 in a virtual machine with all the programs and games I did when I purchased my first PC. (Which was a laptop by the way. I felt portability was the way of the future). Anyway, when I need my fix of nostolgia, it is very easy to load Virtual PC (which by the way is a free download from Microsoft). I even get the occassional (or more accurately, frequent) Blue Screen of Death! How fun. Is it weird for me to do this? Or weird that I enjoy it?
Posted by Rich Gowran | October 16, 2007 11:52 PM
So when you think about what is happening on a Global scene and you're diagramming the various areas on the whiteboard, remember this was where the development teams would be viewing the future several years ago:
http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=171
July/August 2004
by Alexander Wolfe
In recent years, the rampant rise in usage of Linux in the server world has catapulted Samba into almost ubi-quitous deployment. (In typical setups, Samba serves as the missing link, allowing client desktops running Windows to access files stored on such Linux servers.)
Indeed, the fact that Samba ships as a standard part of nearly every Linux distribution has given the software a stealthy penetration that's surprisingly large.
Though Microsoft has no specific involvement with Samba, it too is concerned with security. Seeking to minimize the ability of hackers to exploit Windows, Microsoft is working hard to design improved security into its next-generation Longhorn operating system, due in 2006.
"With Longhorn, there's a good possibility that Microsoft will introduce entirely new technology," Terpstra says. "I believe that is entirely appropriate, because the current Windows networking technology is fundamentally insecure. It's grown topsy-turvy over many years. It's probably more cost effective to start with a clean slate than to try to fix the ills of the current technology."
Terpstra says the Samba team doesn't yet know fully what the consequences of WinFS will be. But it is prepared to introduce support for any WinFS or Longhorn protocol extensions into Samba.
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So we know Samba developers were prepared to install technology capable of interfacing with WinFS back in 2004.
Of course, Microsoft didn't make it and we don't know about other vendor versions of Samba, but, I would presume the HP Samba versions would.
Posted by I-Man | October 17, 2007 12:24 AM
Dear Readers ,
As long as this site draws reader comments, I don't think eWeek really bother what Joe is writing about
AOL is nothing to do with Microsoft Watch
Posted by Paul | October 17, 2007 12:45 AM
What does this have to do with Microsoft such that it should be a "Microsoft Watch" article?
How about writing about OSI approving Microsoft's licences as offically "Open Source"?
Posted by Pepe | October 17, 2007 1:53 AM
Joe:
Boy, do you draw the ire if your articles are not 100% on the subject of Microsoft. I mean, I guess the content must be 100% Microsoft. And how dare you relocate to the west coast and have unusually light posts. And miss posting about Microsoft licenses approved by OSI? Get back to work!!!
Posted by Rich Gowran | October 17, 2007 6:53 AM
Pepe Says:
"How about writing about OSI approving Microsoft's licences as offically "Open Source"?".
@Pepe:
1. Microsoft and Open Source in an Oxymoron.
2. Nobody cares, really. Why? If someone wants to use a tried and true Open Source license not a 'trojan', do you really think they will think, O, I'll just use Microsoft Open Source license. Doesn't make much sense does it.
3. Microsoft trying to muddy the water of Open Source meaning is not news worthy for most.
4. It was approved with an asterisk.
Posted by n0neXn0ne | October 17, 2007 9:10 AM
And as long as it is eWeek, ZiffDavis, MS-watch is around for I-man and chips to voice the FUD it will be here for a while. Joe utters crap and chip and i-man go off on a tangent. Nothing relates to nothing and nothing relates to watching MS like one watches birds. What was the article about again by the time I had to scroll down and read the other response I forgot what I was reading let alone comment on something.
Her I will sum it all up.
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I-man
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Posted by some one | October 17, 2007 11:17 AM
yeah, instead of Microsoft Watch , it should be Microsoft Blah-Blah-Blah
Posted by Mandy | October 17, 2007 12:08 PM
Understanding the Windows Vista Family Discount
On Tuesday, Mary Jo broke the news about the Windows Vista Family Discount. Today, Microsoft made the formal announcement, and Joe Wilcox immediately lambasted it as a bad idea (no surprise there). The problem is that Joe based his analysis on incomplete information. Fortunately for you, dear readers, I have all the facts (for reasons I discuss in my next post).
Before I delve into how the plan works, here's how the existing upgrade pricing works for a family of 3:
Upgrading 3 computers to Vista Home Basic will cost you $99 for the first copy, and $89 for each additional copy, for a grand total of $279. If your computer is more than 2 years old, this is the way to go.
Upgrading 3 computers to Home Premium would cost $159 for the first copy, and $143 each additional copy, for a grand total of $445. This is where it starts to get hairy. Most families would rather buy one new computer than spend this kind of money upgrading all three.
Upgrading 3 computers to Vista Ultimate would cost $259 for the first version, and $233 for each additional copy, for a grand total of $725. While it may be relatively unlikely that a family has 3 computers that should be running Ultimate, the price makes it even less likely that they would.
It should be noted that most people aren't really going to know about the additional license packs, so most people would end up just buying 3 boxed copies.
So the target position is really the 3 upgrades to Vista Home Premium. Now, Microsoft has a few additional problems to combat in positioning this program. One is that they don't want the system to be abused by people who would buy a crapload of Home Premium upgrade boxes, and then use the Anytime Upgrade system to get discounted keys that they can turn around and sell for full price. They know it's going to happen, but they need to minimize the damage.
The second is that they need to consider the scenarios where this will actually make sense. They want as many people as possible to move to Vista, because it's far more secure than XP. So the scenario that they miss in their pricing is the family that purchased a computer in late 2006-early 2006, and has a couple older computers in the house. The new computer is still relatively fast, but the older ones are slowing down and constantly infested with spyware. Since even the upgrade editions of Vista wipe the system clean, these machines will perform better than on XP, even if they might not be able to support Windows Aero.
So here's how the Windows Vista Family Discount works. NOTE: All prices are Microsoft's MSRP. Amazon.com is offering most copies at a $10-20 discount.
Purchase a Retail Box Copy of Windows Vista Ultimate. Since we're talking about upgrades, most people will get the $259 Upgrade version (and not the $399 Full version that Joe used in his analysis).
You'll have the option to acquire two additional product keys for Windows Vista Home Premium at $49 per key.
Grand Total (Upgrade): $357
Total Savings: $220 (if you buy the same SKUs)
Total Savings (vs 3 Home Premium): $120 (if 3 upgrade copies are purchased) or $88 (with additional license packs)
Under this plan, the new computer would get Ultimate, and the older but still capable systems would get Home Premium. By using Ultimate as the "barrier to entry", Microsoft can blunt some of the effects of people abusing the system, while at the same time introducing more people to the Ultimate experience.
Joe's wrong about OEMs being the ones that hurt in this equation. It's actually the Retail channel that will have the most issue with it, because the $49 in pure profit goes directly to Microsoft. CompUSA, Circuit City, Best Buy, etc don't want this to work, because they want people to grab boxes off shelves. Whuch is why I doubt you'll see signs touting the plan in any retail store come February.
So while people like Joe Wilcox will berate the decision, and say that "The choice of nothing would be better than the Family Discount", I completely disagree. This is an experiment to see how the market will respond. If it responds well, you may see better multi-computer bundles in the future, that may be less complicated than the current incarnation. And instead of criticizing Microsoft, Joe should be praising Microsoft for FINALLY listening to the needs of the market, and doing something that he himself has argued for in the past. It may not be perfect, but at least they're taking a risk and trying something different. And that can only be a very good thing.
Posted by Mandy | October 17, 2007 12:10 PM
through the magic of OLE you can have the posts collected into one convenient place.
I'll tell you what we need. We need another compendium so you can see the landscape:
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1304256&mid=1304256&tof=4&frt=2
Posted by I-Man | October 17, 2007 1:34 PM
Keepin' it simple and savin' some bucks: Get OEM Vista Premium and do a clean install. But... is that legal? I used OEM VISTA Premiumon 2 computers. However they were PC's I built myself. But really, why would it matter if you put an OEM on your HP? I suppose it is illegal, but that wouldn't make sense.
Posted by Rich Gowran | October 17, 2007 1:47 PM
Here is that OSI link
opensource.org/node/207
Posted by some one | October 17, 2007 4:45 PM
13 reasons why Linux should be on your desktop
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5836989728.html
Posted by chips | October 17, 2007 8:00 PM
This is ridiculous !!
Now Chips is "openly" advertising Linux here !!
Joe I count this as "advertising spam" and it should be deleted !!
The above "comment" (cough ..cough) is nothing more than advertising and should be treated as such.
Posted by Neil | October 17, 2007 9:21 PM
As for me ... I remember the old dial up modem of 14.4 speed (although at the time AOL was not yet in Australia) as my current speed is 8000 I am very happy indeed !
Posted by Neil | October 17, 2007 9:25 PM
Apple's U.S. Mac market share rises to 8.1 percent in Q3
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/17/apples_u_s_mac_market_share_rises_to_8_1_percent_in_q3.html
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Again, this is a large increase for Mac, and it coming from Windows users in Micro$oft best marketplace, the USA. This is the place that M$ generally get paid the most.
Now the fact that Vista is not going over so well, would have what to do with Apple success?
Posted by chips | October 18, 2007 1:13 AM
In the late 1980s, I used to access local BBSes with a 1200 baud modem. It was text-only with ASCII art so it seemed acceptable at that time. For a while I even used a 2400 baud modem to access the internet (running Lynx as my text-only browser). It was do-able and I actually got quite a bit of work done.
I still have my 33k modem somewhere. But the hot thing around here is DSL. But I would never use IE or some other browser on Windows to access the Internet from home. Both of those are still unsafe at any speed.
Posted by Maddog | October 18, 2007 6:04 AM
Am I the only (linux user) reader who thinks:
No MS news is good news?
Since this site pretends to be critical about MS, this may be a "polite hint" in this direction?
eudude
Posted by eudude | October 18, 2007 7:09 AM
Give up on the Linux already. Ain't gonna happen. Home users are going to either use a Mac or a Windows PC. There will always be the fringe users, Mac and/or Windows haters, who will play with Linux. But like I have said before, great. Whatever works for you and you enjoy, that is fine for you. Just understand that the mainstream is going to use Macs and PC's for a LONG time to come. I am sure some will say or think, "Just wait, in 5 years Linux will be on at least 20% of the desktops." Nope. You said that 5 years ago, and 5 years before that. It is just a fringe desktop operating system. I am running Windows Server 2008 RC0 right now as my desktop OS and it is incredibly easier to use than even Ubuntu! But if you really love your Linux, good for you. I applaud you. But don't try to give the impression that Linux is going somewhere.
Posted by Rich Gowran | October 18, 2007 9:52 AM
So, the question for the "experts" to answer...
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1304922&mid=1304922&tof=8&frt=2
Posted by I-Man | October 18, 2007 6:09 PM
And we pile it all here for you to sort through:
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_M/threadview?m=tm&bn=12004&tid=1304922&mid=1304938&tof=1&rt=1&frt=2&off=1
Posted by I-Man | October 18, 2007 6:55 PM
I-Man
What has either of the above posts got to do with "Dial up" or for that "AOL" ???
Fair dikum ... at least try to say something regarding the "actual" subject matter please !
Like others have said previously your "ONE" subject is now very very boring mate !
Posted by Neil | October 18, 2007 7:12 PM
Why do 'journalists' use the term 'dinosaur' for anything that they regard as out of date? The dinosaurs were one of the most successful species ever to inhabit this planet and it took an 'extinction event' (some sort of cataclysm) to wipe them out. Man. by comparison, has been around for only a very short time and may well make himself extinct without help!
Posted by Arthur Negus | October 19, 2007 6:47 AM
Yeah I am in agreement here Mr Wilcox, why do you not report on microsoft topics? At microsoft watch? I mean this doesn't say technology watch or industry watch. It says specifically MICROSOFT WATCH.
I mean this is no different then winsupersite doing iphone reviews or whatever. I guess microsoft and their technology is so boring, the sites dedicated to them have to have other areas just to keep interest. That says a lot.
Posted by what the | October 19, 2007 9:46 PM
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